Jamastiene
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Mon Sep-20-10 01:42 PM
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| 13. Yet, upthread, some of my ancestors have been called |
| -How would you rate the early pioneers who settled this country? |
AnArmyVeteran |
Sep-20-10 01:26 PM |
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They were regular people. |
Uncle Joe |
Sep-20-10 01:28 PM |
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they were regular people |
Codeine |
Sep-20-10 01:29 PM |
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The majority were hard-working folks. Like Americans have always been. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-20-10 01:30 PM |
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Deadbeats and shiftless people weren't pioneers |
Warpy |
Sep-20-10 01:30 PM |
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Also measured in blood. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-20-10 01:31 PM |
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So, some of my ancestors were nothing more than |
Jamastiene |
Sep-20-10 01:44 PM |
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Geez, maybe they were HOSTILE -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-10 01:52 PM |
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I can't get over how they were viewed as not even human. |
Jamastiene |
Sep-20-10 02:04 PM |
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We have had many movements here --- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-10 03:47 PM |
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"lord knows they tried back in the 70s" |
immune |
Sep-20-10 07:02 PM |
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We homeless people are still hoping that some of you will decide to take up our cause, too. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-10 07:20 PM |
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That's what they were. Nothing wrong with that. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-20-10 01:56 PM |
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Grizzled, hairy faced bunch that liked to drink, and loved to fight. |
tjwash |
Sep-20-10 01:32 PM |
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They were regular people -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-10 01:34 PM |
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A lot of the "cowboys" the Reaganites derive their mythology from were actually African Americans |
Erose999 |
Sep-20-10 01:36 PM |
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And a lot of those cowboys were |
immune |
Sep-20-10 07:38 PM |
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Some of them had a huge amount of blood on their hands. |
leveymg |
Sep-20-10 01:37 PM |
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Yet, upthread, some of my ancestors have been called |
Jamastiene |
Sep-20-10 01:42 PM |
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I'm sure the actual terms applied at the time were far less gentile. |
leveymg |
Sep-20-10 01:48 PM |
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The thing is that it keeps happening over and over again throughout |
Jamastiene |
Sep-20-10 02:06 PM |
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Nothing says that it has to happen. Gandhi and MLK and some others provide an alternative path |
leveymg |
Sep-20-10 02:16 PM |
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That is true. |
Jamastiene |
Sep-20-10 02:22 PM |
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There are other kinds of pioneer I'd rather be |
leveymg |
Sep-20-10 02:32 PM |
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Well heck, |
immune |
Sep-20-10 07:48 PM |
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They were people with few real choices |
zipplewrath |
Sep-20-10 01:39 PM |
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They were my family. |
postulater |
Sep-20-10 01:41 PM |
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Then, we're cousins. |
closeupready |
Sep-20-10 01:44 PM |
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Blend of 1-3. |
closeupready |
Sep-20-10 01:42 PM |
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a little confusing--pioneers |
Spike89 |
Sep-20-10 01:43 PM |
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I do think they were courageous, however, they were also racist and rapers of |
joeybee12 |
Sep-20-10 01:44 PM |
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Really? All of them? |
proteus_lives |
Sep-20-10 01:58 PM |
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Any educated and thinking person knows that ANY group of people is a mixture. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-10 01:44 PM |
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A lot of people do not know the real truth behind "scalping." |
Jamastiene |
Sep-20-10 01:48 PM |
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It is highly discouraging to me that "progressives" don't know any of this, and it never enters |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-10 01:57 PM |
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The white man started that ghastly practice. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Sep-20-10 05:09 PM |
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Don't forget that some of the pioneers were Indians |
Retrograde |
Sep-20-10 02:26 PM |
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Yep, and some of them intermarried |
Dappleganger |
Sep-20-10 07:05 PM |
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Here they are.... |
izquierdista |
Sep-20-10 01:44 PM |
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pioneers were not the problem -- they were used by profiteers |
grasswire |
Sep-20-10 01:45 PM |
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There were so many frauds committed against the good people it is amazing |
old mark |
Sep-20-10 02:10 PM |
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They were used by profiteers .... |
immune |
Sep-20-10 06:31 PM |
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Thanks for your personal story and the links! |
AnArmyVeteran |
Sep-21-10 02:14 PM |
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yes, this is what they said: "we should have kept the mineral rights!" |
grasswire |
Sep-21-10 05:13 PM |
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And what about all these treaties the US government made with indigenous people, and later flouted? |
closeupready |
Sep-20-10 01:45 PM |
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And are still flouting them... |
maryf |
Sep-20-10 07:47 PM |
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Well, they were visionary regular people. |
damntexdem |
Sep-20-10 01:47 PM |
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KInd of like immigrants in a way. Leaving behind what was familiar for a chance at a better life. |
pampango |
Sep-20-10 01:51 PM |
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I think that all immigrants of all types are courageous in a way |
Nikia |
Sep-20-10 07:19 PM |
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Risk takers |
alfredo |
Sep-20-10 02:08 PM |
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Other. They were a mish-mash of malcontents, sociopaths, the desperately poor, |
Greyhound |
Sep-20-10 02:09 PM |
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They were mostly pawns of wealthy men. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-20-10 02:10 PM |
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+1 |
grasswire |
Sep-20-10 02:45 PM |
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pawn, pioneer, peon. all go back to Latin and mean |
dimbear |
Sep-20-10 05:29 PM |
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Convicts, slaves, and other shiftless people who came |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-20-10 02:20 PM |
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They were pirates who expropriated and exterminated indigenous |
blindpig |
Sep-20-10 02:24 PM |
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Bloodsoaked |
mitchum |
Sep-20-10 02:27 PM |
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How early are we talking about? |
Lucian |
Sep-20-10 02:37 PM |
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Walking from St. Louis Missouri to Oregon is one thing... |
hunter |
Sep-20-10 04:04 PM |
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"Heartland" where Native Americans lived...was opened by government so "pioneers" ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-20-10 04:08 PM |
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And to justify murdering native Americans, Christians called them savages. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Sep-20-10 05:14 PM |
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6000 years of |
immune |
Sep-20-10 06:43 PM |
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.. and most every vile act of violence committed by "whites" and US government was |
defendandprotect |
Sep-20-10 08:22 PM |
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You are absolutely correct. Just the terminology changes. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Sep-21-10 08:41 AM |
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I agree with what you said: |
immune |
Sep-20-10 07:31 PM |
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Stinky? |
Safetykitten |
Sep-20-10 06:45 PM |
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Voted regular people, but think it was more desperate people. |
Curmudgeoness |
Sep-20-10 06:54 PM |
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Other. |
yella_dawg |
Sep-20-10 06:56 PM |
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Thanks for posting. What an interesting topic. |
Bucky |
Sep-20-10 07:44 PM |
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Thanks Bucky, I'm sure you are very limited in what you can teach. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Sep-21-10 09:21 AM |
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Many were wealthy and got large land grants, worked by slaves |
Duer 157099 |
Sep-20-10 07:47 PM |
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None of the above, and how I explain it |
The Straight Story |
Sep-20-10 07:54 PM |
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They weren't even regular people. They were overwhelmingly the POOREST people. |
Xithras |
Sep-20-10 08:21 PM |
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How a society treats its children speaks volumes about who/what they are. |
immune |
Sep-20-10 08:39 PM |
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None of the above. |
PufPuf23 |
Sep-21-10 05:40 PM |
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