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Wed Sep-01-10 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #89 |
| 93. Taking public money to be an incompetent teacher is a misdeed. |
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As for my performance reviews, my bar association reports misdeed and incompetence.
And every client who seeks to hire me can look at my percentages, and get references.
Why shouldn't teachers be held to the same standard?
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| -L. A. Times evaluates teacher who was out of the country on a Fulbright Scholarship. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:40 AM |
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It is witch hunting and lying with statistics. n/t |
EFerrari |
Aug-31-10 12:42 AM |
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I will check back tomorrow to see all the excuses. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:50 AM |
#4 |
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It's hard to think of anything that could be more disruptive |
EFerrari |
Aug-31-10 12:58 AM |
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No excuses, just using the links you gave--- |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:24 PM |
#35 |
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Semantics or More...? |
xocet |
Aug-31-10 05:02 PM |
#59 |
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How does one argue "semantics" over the second line? |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:08 PM |
#63 |
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The second line of text that I posted is the following: |
xocet |
Sep-01-10 10:23 AM |
#88 |
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Again, how do you argue this is semantics? It is a failure of reading comprehension. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:50 PM |
#97 |
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Good post. |
October |
Sep-01-10 04:59 PM |
#112 |
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Ok. Have it your way.... |
xocet |
Sep-01-10 09:43 PM |
#144 |
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I could care less if this teacher's fullbright year was evaluated or not. |
izzybeans |
Aug-31-10 09:14 PM |
#73 |
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Privacy laws??? Actual professions publish misdeeds and incompetence. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 12:12 AM |
#74 |
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but these professions |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 12:43 AM |
#77 |
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Yep. |
izzybeans |
Sep-01-10 10:36 AM |
#90 |
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That would be none, Jim. But lots of them make good money practicing this fraudulent "profession". |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:46 AM |
#154 |
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. |
izzybeans |
Sep-03-10 09:02 AM |
#179 |
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i understood that. the comments were for the peanut gallery who thinks it's |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-04-10 04:59 AM |
#183 |
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Well, who chose a profession that involved testing children? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:39 PM |
#94 |
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pathetically weak response |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 04:35 PM |
#106 |
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You do realize that LA public school doesn't use this method, right? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 04:46 PM |
#110 |
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The Times doesn't either. Oligarch Bill Gates & his hired RAND gun do. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:48 AM |
#155 |
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There was no misdeed published by the LA Times. |
izzybeans |
Sep-01-10 10:30 AM |
#89 |
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Taking public money to be an incompetent teacher is a misdeed. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:26 PM |
#93 |
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Well, I'm not impressed by the bar association's willingness to |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 06:27 PM |
#128 |
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Nice straw. These "ratings" were devised by a RAND analyst, paid for with |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:42 AM |
#153 |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:31 AM |
#152 |
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So what's the problem? |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 12:31 AM |
#75 |
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Do you have any idea that she isn't a Fulbright Scholar? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:02 PM |
#100 |
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Fine |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 04:36 PM |
#108 |
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It's not fine when a person is misrepresented as a Fulbright Scholar. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 04:53 PM |
#111 |
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again you failed to respond |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 09:25 PM |
#143 |
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oh, bullshit. They're all listed as "Fulbrighters" by the state dept. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:04 AM |
#158 |
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There are only 120 Fulbright Teachers chosen every year. It's highly competitive, |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:02 AM |
#156 |
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. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:02 AM |
#157 |
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No--it's reading comprehension problems for this teacher and some posters.... |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:21 PM |
#32 |
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+1 |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:28 PM |
#36 |
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It isn't reading comprehension problems. It is a willful omission of facts |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 02:17 PM |
#48 |
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Did not the Bush era teach us to never underestimate the sheer |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:10 PM |
#64 |
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nasty stuff. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:05 AM |
#159 |
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How does an average teacher qualify for an exceptional scholarship? |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-01-10 01:51 PM |
#98 |
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Um, she's not a Fulbright Scholar, you realize, right? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:00 PM |
#99 |
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Yes, I know how to read. |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-01-10 04:35 PM |
#107 |
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"Does the teacher exchange has low standards?" We know they didn't test Vinicor for reading |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 04:38 PM |
#109 |
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Ah. You're arguing without knowledge of the standards used for the teacher exchange. |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-01-10 05:08 PM |
#115 |
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Dude, I'm not gonna do your Googling for you. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 05:18 PM |
#116 |
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do it for yourself, you're woefully uninformed. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:49 AM |
#166 |
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One more paragraph from Mike Klonsky's blog. Amen. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:44 AM |
#2 |
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While evaluating this teacher's last year was totally unfair, the whole |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 10:35 AM |
#17 |
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+1 |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:28 PM |
#37 |
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No--the whole story is they DIDN'T use her Fullbright year....see posts 35 & 32 |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:32 PM |
#39 |
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AND MORE of the story--the lady in question is NOT a Fulbright Scholar. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:27 PM |
#104 |
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Bullshit. She got a Fulbright. They're ALL EXCHANGE PROGRAMS. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:22 AM |
#161 |
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Ouch... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:03 PM |
#114 |
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GIGO... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 02:52 PM |
#53 |
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You're calling teachers "garbage?" |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 04:13 PM |
#58 |
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Of course not. Sorry if I was unclear. The data... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 05:04 PM |
#60 |
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They're not "evaluations". They're student test scores. On non-equivalent tests to boot. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:17 AM |
#160 |
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Evaluation in absentia |
mike r |
Aug-31-10 12:45 AM |
#3 |
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And without proper data. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:54 AM |
#5 |
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How do we know it is without proper data? |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 10:36 AM |
#18 |
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I would recommend Diane Ravitch's book... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 05:08 PM |
#61 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-31-10 02:29 PM |
#50 |
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A retraction and an apology is in order, ma'am. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-01-10 11:00 AM |
#91 |
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Agreed |
rpannier |
Sep-03-10 09:23 AM |
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They didn't use her Fullbright year--- |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:22 PM |
#33 |
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How so? Read the article...they didn't evaluate her in absentia. |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:29 PM |
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The only reason for "no child left behind" is to destroy public education in favor of rightwing |
Rabrrrrrr |
Aug-31-10 12:55 AM |
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Why was Ted Kennedy one of the creators of it then? |
Winterblues |
Aug-31-10 11:14 AM |
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I think Kennedy figured he'd been had. But now it is Dem policy. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 11:45 AM |
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Ted Kennedy was had? To read this, so close to the anniversary of his death.... |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:26 PM |
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lol, |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-01-10 03:17 AM |
#80 |
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Ted Kennedy's death makes you laugh, Hannah? Do tell. n/t |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:40 PM |
#95 |
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your straw makes me laugh. also the "outrage" over your own straw creations. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-01-10 01:42 PM |
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I.... what?!?! Seriously, you think that offering an opinion about Ted's thoughts |
Rabrrrrrr |
Sep-01-10 10:54 PM |
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Ted Kennedy didn't support the implementation of NCLB |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-01-10 11:06 PM |
#146 |
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Good thing I am not a teacher..My votes would have to be fought for and so far |
flyarm |
Aug-31-10 12:59 AM |
#8 |
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Kick. |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-31-10 09:57 AM |
#9 |
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..... |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 10:06 AM |
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It's not witch hunting. It's treasure hunting. And union busting. nt |
Doremus |
Aug-31-10 10:11 AM |
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Union busting for sure. You got in and posted this just before I did. K and R |
riderinthestorm |
Aug-31-10 10:18 AM |
#14 |
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+1000 |
Blue_Tires |
Aug-31-10 10:27 AM |
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Best post in the entire thread. |
Dappleganger |
Sep-01-10 08:11 PM |
#140 |
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Is the problem here that teachers should never be rated, or that |
hedgehog |
Aug-31-10 10:13 AM |
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I ask how do you measure a Fulbright scholar who isn't there? |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 10:16 AM |
#13 |
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I think that incident is analogous to the supervisor who very |
hedgehog |
Aug-31-10 10:23 AM |
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You are so disingenuous. You know full well that there is more here |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 10:41 AM |
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It's not that you aren't going to get it. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-31-10 12:52 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with my perception and reasoning skills. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 02:35 PM |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 02:54 PM |
#55 |
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You do understand, don't you, that the Fulbright year was not evaluated? |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:37 PM |
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She's not a Fulbright Scholar. Why claim she is, when she isn't? n/t |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:14 PM |
#102 |
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SO WHAT? SHE RECEIVED A FULBRIGHT GRANT TO GO OVERSEAS SAME AS A FULBRIGHT SCHOLAR. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:38 AM |
#162 |
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Hannah, she obviously received the scholarship because they wanted to get rid of her for a year |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-03-10 04:32 AM |
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lol. god, i read through this thread & i wonder where the hell i am. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 04:34 AM |
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Good post, Hedgehog. But, here's the question: What do we do with the bad principals and teachers? |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:35 PM |
#40 |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 03:09 PM |
#57 |
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+ 10 |
LWolf |
Sep-01-10 07:46 AM |
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Thanks. n/t |
YvonneCa |
Sep-01-10 12:51 PM |
#92 |
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You "get it." Thank you. nt |
LWolf |
Sep-01-10 07:43 AM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Aug-31-10 10:43 AM |
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Amazing. The Times publishes evaluation of a teacher who was not there.... |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 11:02 AM |
#21 |
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No they didn't. |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:38 PM |
#42 |
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Useful tactic: peppering your own thread with running commentary. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 02:37 PM |
#52 |
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It's like the Scarlet Letter for teachers. Read the responses. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 11:37 AM |
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Teachers' unions helping to destroy America. |
HoraceX |
Aug-31-10 12:33 PM |
#25 |
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Then we can only imagine... |
LanternWaste |
Aug-31-10 12:56 PM |
#28 |
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Herrings, herrings everywhere and not a fact to be seen. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-31-10 12:56 PM |
#29 |
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Bravo. Except, I support teacher's unions, just not their efforts to protect incompetent teachers. |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:39 PM |
#43 |
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Seriously? "...the teachers' unions primary goal is to keep incompetent teachers employed" |
LiberalLovinLug |
Aug-31-10 01:41 PM |
#45 |
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absolute garbage. disgusting. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-31-10 02:07 PM |
#47 |
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*yawn* |
Starry Messenger |
Aug-31-10 02:53 PM |
#54 |
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On what basis do you claim that American public school teachers are quite poor? |
Catshrink |
Aug-31-10 07:29 PM |
#71 |
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The pay isn't lucrative. My husband and I are teachers |
RayOfHope |
Sep-01-10 05:58 AM |
#83 |
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In that sense, it is rough to make ends meet a lot of the time. |
Catshrink |
Sep-01-10 07:09 AM |
#84 |
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Not all states have an active union presence. Missouri sure doesn't. |
RayOfHope |
Sep-01-10 05:56 AM |
#82 |
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Oh for cryin' out loud. |
Sparkly |
Sep-01-10 07:35 PM |
#138 |
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I posted your OP on Facebook. |
Starry Messenger |
Aug-31-10 12:36 PM |
#26 |
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Did you note that the study didn't use her Fullbright year? |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:23 PM |
#34 |
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Do you tell them that the Fulbright year was not evaluated? |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:40 PM |
#44 |
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I have you both on ignore. |
Starry Messenger |
Aug-31-10 02:55 PM |
#56 |
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Numbers are now anti-union? |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:18 PM |
#66 |
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Yes, these particular numbers & their Gates-funded "analysis" are anti-union. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:42 AM |
#163 |
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Convincing kids to care is a teacher's first job. |
hunter |
Aug-31-10 01:06 PM |
#30 |
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Nancy Vinicor has a serious reading comprehension problem---along with some posters. |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:17 PM |
#31 |
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Explain how an "average" teacher ever managed to win a fellowship in a program |
eridani |
Sep-01-10 02:43 AM |
#79 |
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She isn't a Fulbright Scholar. Nor a Fellow. She was in the Exchange Program. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:12 PM |
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I'm betting it isn't open to just anyone. You have to have a high rating as a teacher |
eridani |
Sep-01-10 08:26 PM |
#142 |
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I'm betting you don't know what you're talking about. All Fulbrights are competitive, all |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:44 AM |
#164 |
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k&r. Thanks as always mad |
Jax |
Aug-31-10 02:07 PM |
#46 |
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This incident reveals the absolute propaganda behind this union-busting bullshit |
RainDog |
Aug-31-10 02:21 PM |
#49 |
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Actually, it seems quite the opposite when facts are included. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-02-10 02:33 PM |
#151 |
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lol. like statistics & research can't be used to lie, cheat & steal. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:48 AM |
#165 |
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As if anecdotes can't be used to lie! |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-03-10 04:54 AM |
#174 |
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yeah, adopting the ideas of the john birch society = "progress". |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 05:46 AM |
#175 |
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Status quo does not equal progress. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-03-10 06:41 AM |
#176 |
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neither does the John Birch Society's programme for fascism & free markets. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 06:46 AM |
#177 |
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And what of the NAACP? What of La Raza? National League of Cities? Center for American Progress? |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-03-10 07:50 AM |
#178 |
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get back to me when those orgs recommend that bullshit "ratings" of teachers be published in the |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 01:09 PM |
#182 |
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This is disgusting! |
Odin2005 |
Aug-31-10 05:54 PM |
#62 |
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Indeed--that the teacher could not read the study is indeed disgusting. |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:15 PM |
#65 |
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No, the disgusting thing |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 12:34 AM |
#76 |
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She isn't a Fulbright Scholar. Nor a Fellow. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:32 PM |
#105 |
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You don't "trade". You win a Fulbright grant. Then the Fulbright committee sends you to the school |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:59 AM |
#168 |
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My personal involvement |
lolly |
Aug-31-10 06:36 PM |
#68 |
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You point out the dangers with relying just on test data. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 07:00 PM |
#69 |
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Oddly enough, my daughter is a "model" student |
lolly |
Aug-31-10 07:22 PM |
#70 |
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Kick. |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 08:52 PM |
#72 |
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WTF is going on with the LA Times |
Ramulux |
Sep-01-10 01:22 AM |
#78 |
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it's not the times by itself. bill gates funded the rand analyst who made up the ratings. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-01-10 03:20 AM |
#81 |
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So has anti-intellectualism taken hold in the teaching profession? |
MrScorpio |
Sep-01-10 07:11 AM |
#85 |
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A note on the OP Title--this teacher IS NOT a Fulbright Scholar!!! |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:21 PM |
#103 |
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Are you serious? |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:02 PM |
#113 |
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State Department publishes the Fulbrights every year.... |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 05:24 PM |
#117 |
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Trend... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:25 PM |
#118 |
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Indeed. I read another thread that bemoaned the lack of respect |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 05:34 PM |
#119 |
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Well said... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:38 PM |
#120 |
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Well said..thank you, msanthrope. nt |
Cha |
Sep-01-10 06:00 PM |
#122 |
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Fulbright Teacher Exchange |
cate94 |
Sep-01-10 05:56 PM |
#121 |
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Except she wasn't evaluated for 2009-2010 while she was out ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:15 PM |
#124 |
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Interesting how so many teachers missed that... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 06:27 PM |
#129 |
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The OP's title is "Fulbright Scholarship." |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 06:28 PM |
#130 |
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She was out 2009-2010, but evaluated on 2008-2009 |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:05 PM |
#123 |
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She completely misread the study, and claimed she |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 06:22 PM |
#127 |
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Good grief. At the very least the OP misunderstood the facts, which doesn't |
DevonRex |
Sep-02-10 10:57 AM |
#150 |
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She one of only 120 winners of the Fulbright Grant for Teachers. There are 1100 Fulbright scholar |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:57 AM |
#167 |
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She should sue them. Her reputation has been smeared |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 06:17 PM |
#125 |
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Sue for what??? |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:22 PM |
#126 |
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Her record as a teacher was distorted. And she is not the only |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 06:38 PM |
#132 |
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My husband is teaching his students every day ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:45 PM |
#134 |
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Of course it's possible to teach students every day. I didn't say |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 07:26 PM |
#136 |
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His students are being educated ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 08:06 PM |
#139 |
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Suing would only draw more attention to her stupidity...... |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 07:23 PM |
#135 |
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A class action suit is what I hope will result from this. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 07:31 PM |
#137 |
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The only CA lawyer stupid enough to take this proposed class action is Orly Taitz. n/t |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 08:12 PM |
#141 |
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When are you going to edit your OP? |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:30 PM |
#131 |
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Excellent question, Truman...why wouldn't |
Cha |
Sep-01-10 06:39 PM |
#133 |
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you would think.... |
Whisp |
Sep-01-10 11:46 PM |
#147 |
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like the charter school brigade has *ever* copped to the failure of *their* hobbyhorse |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 04:10 AM |
#169 |
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too late to unrec for misleading information in OP. Reader beware. |
Whisp |
Sep-01-10 11:52 PM |
#148 |
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1. She didn't have a Fullbright Scholarship. 2. She wasn't evaluated for the year she was out of |
DevonRex |
Sep-02-10 10:54 AM |
#149 |
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blahblahblahblahblah. she got a Fulbright Teachers grant. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 04:12 AM |
#170 |
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The war on education- if allowed to continue- leads to only one place- Everyone paying |
JCMach1 |
Sep-03-10 04:40 AM |
#173 |
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My response to the evaluation system |
rpannier |
Sep-03-10 09:20 AM |
#180 |
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