Reply #186: I dont seem to be saying that at all

[qazplm]

you certainly seem to be wanting me to say that.

I've been pretty darn clear that there is a wide spray of things, some fitting under coercion and some not.

You on the other hand seem to place everything from get out of the car and walk 10 miles home or have sex with me (which is highly coercive) to baby it's been 6 months since we had sex please (which isn't even remotely coercive) under the exact same rubric of coercion because a woman might, might feel pressured.

You've in fact failed to recognize any situation that involves a man asking for sex more than once that isn't in your mind coercive, begging, pleading, asking a second time, threatening are all melded together in your outlook because all of them might result in the woman feeling pressured.

Well, the woman having the possibility of feeling pressured does not coercion make. A woman can feel pressure all by herself, and a woman can handle mild persistence all by herself too.

And when we are talking about what is and is not rape, which is the subject of this thread, it's going to take a bit more than "feeling pressured" (a pretty wide swath of meaning there) to qualify.