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Response to Reply #91
146. AMEN!
I'm with you there 100%:

"I'll give him credit for one thing: he's taught me to never, ever trust another politician, no matter how smart and/or promising."
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  -Greider at The Nation on how they are "reforming" Social Security without saying it out loud. madfloridian  May-21-10 05:06 PM   #0 
  - How dare Obama turn against Social Security?  CaliforniaPeggy   May-21-10 05:13 PM   #1 
  - This is not what I expect from a supposedly Democratic President.  DJ13   May-21-10 05:17 PM   #2 
  - +1,000 n/t  tonysam   May-21-10 05:27 PM   #4 
  - Some of us saw the "stealth" before, but were attacked if we dared hint at it.  bobbolink   May-21-10 10:20 PM   #40 
  - +1,000,000  zabet   May-22-10 08:00 AM   #51 
  - Exactly  peace frog   May-22-10 09:08 AM   #57 
  - I never attacked anyone,  dgibby   May-22-10 10:18 AM   #91 
  - AMEN!  ShortnFiery   May-22-10 02:11 PM   #146 
  - Yours is the pain that bothers me the most about all of this..... people who have had their trust  bobbolink   May-22-10 07:04 PM   #216 
  - Why didn't they index it to cover increases in life expectancy?  TampaAnimus2010   May-23-10 02:29 PM   #250 
  - Having phone banked and beat the streets for this four flusher  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 11:31 AM   #108 
  - I'm with you......I feel quite betrayed. n/t  whathehell   May-22-10 05:25 PM   #197 
     - We once drove 100 miles to see the 4 flusher now I wouldn't cross the street.  Peregrine Took   May-22-10 05:53 PM   #207 
  - Absolutely  MissDeeds   May-22-10 03:18 PM   #161 
     - Unfortunately, both Hillary (a corporatist hawk) and Edwards (a monumental douche) are as bad  liberation   May-22-10 03:41 PM   #168 
        - It is time for a monumental effort for a write in campaign  ooglymoogly   May-23-10 12:31 PM   #243 
  - I have said that for a long time now. He is a DINO, a hired gun  icee   May-22-10 09:13 AM   #60 
  - Obama not a democrat?  Citizen Worker   May-22-10 09:31 AM   #66 
  - Not just Hillary and Obama,  bvar22   May-22-10 11:14 AM   #102 
     - They are doing God's work  avaistheone1   May-22-10 01:44 PM   #134 
  - The simple fact is  Mike K   May-22-10 02:20 PM   #151 
  - "Brand Obama"...  bvar22   May-22-10 03:18 PM   #162 
  - That's not entirely true  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:19 PM   #178 
  - Just one more betrayal in a very long line, Peggy.  dgibby   May-22-10 10:15 AM   #90 
  - Clinton did the same deal--and except for Monica, would have  bbgrunt   May-22-10 01:46 PM   #135 
  - Beyond forming a committee which doesn't appear to have done anything yet  Telly Savalas   May-22-10 02:11 PM   #147 
     - He didn't get the votes for the binding proposal so he went Executive Order  TheKentuckian   May-23-10 12:42 AM   #229 
  - The notion that the President is secretly reforming Social Security is ludicrous.  ProSense   May-21-10 05:26 PM   #3 
  - Coming from you I take anything you say with a grain of salt.  tonysam   May-21-10 05:28 PM   # 
  - Thanks for letting me know. n/t  ProSense   May-21-10 05:32 PM   #8 
  - +1000!  SammyWinstonJack   May-22-10 08:35 AM   #55 
  - Clearly! nt  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 11:35 AM   #110 
  - Agreed.  closeupready   May-22-10 03:59 PM   #173 
  - Do not be surprised when Grieder is proven correct.  OHdem10   May-21-10 06:47 PM   #20 
  - So far he's batting 1000.  glitch   May-21-10 09:49 PM   #28 
  - Well, he's not correct about it being a secret.  ProSense   May-21-10 10:09 PM   #37 
     - Yeah like not assessing even the barest  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 11:47 AM   #113 
     - that's a senate report, not the report of the deficit commission. & some of  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:51 PM   #138 
        - Remember all the good things we were going to get out of  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 07:38 PM   #218 
           - And O gets away with it solely because of that stinking "D" after his name.  bobbolink   May-22-10 09:35 PM   #222 
  - I no longer believe anything you say. No matter what he does,  icee   May-22-10 09:18 AM   #61 
  - + 100000.  freddie mertz   May-22-10 09:55 AM   #74 
  - So the article from the Senate Committee of Aging is a forgery?  Telly Savalas   May-22-10 02:14 PM   #148 
  - Pot meet kettle, when everything you say goes against him, your  treestar   May-22-10 03:43 PM   #170 
  - Way past that with this one... But, clearly, I see where you are.  icee   May-22-10 04:28 PM   #184 
  - There are several like that here  MissDeeds   May-22-10 04:40 PM   #187 
  - Yeah. I understand what you mean. Let's alls stick together.  icee   May-22-10 04:57 PM   #192 
     - Works for me  MissDeeds   May-22-10 05:08 PM   #194 
  - Unfortunately, I don't think so. I think everyone is either too beaten down, or just mesmerized.  bobbolink   May-22-10 09:37 PM   #223 
     - And that, sir, is my greatest fear. For then we are truly doomed. I  icee   May-22-10 11:36 PM   #226 
        - Your scenario gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Just shoot me".  bobbolink   May-23-10 07:28 PM   #257 
  - Bookmarking. nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:18 AM   #62 
  - If you deny it, there must be something to it.  freddie mertz   May-22-10 09:53 AM   #73 
  - +1  Yuugal   May-22-10 04:09 PM   #176 
  - THANK YOU!  Change Happens   May-22-10 10:06 AM   #84 
  - Considering how your batting average is .000, NOW I'm really worried.  donco6   May-22-10 10:59 AM   #98 
  - Yes, this has been debunked before.  tabatha   May-22-10 04:13 PM   #177 
     - Read who is on the debt commission.  madfloridian   May-22-10 06:42 PM   #211 
  - Correct Me If I Am Misinformed  Me.   May-21-10 05:28 PM   #5 
  - "cannot act without a vote in Congress"  ProSense   May-21-10 05:31 PM   #6 
  - I'm Not Sure About Unsubstantiated  Me.   May-21-10 10:12 PM   #38 
     - Vigilance.... Always.  whathehell   May-22-10 09:18 AM   #63 
  - And that is only because the Senate did not pass the bill for the creation of the commission.  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:31 AM   #65 
     - A couple of important points:  Lasher   May-23-10 12:07 AM   #227 
        - We dodged the first bullet,  bvar22   May-23-10 02:38 PM   #251 
  - Obama's mother-in-law will straighten him out soon enough...n/t  monmouth   May-21-10 05:31 PM   #7 
  - I'll eat my shorts if politicians actually vote to end Social Security.  Lone_Star_Dem   May-21-10 05:32 PM   #9 
  - Maybe we need to means test it though.  dkf   May-21-10 05:37 PM   #10 
  - No we don't need to means test it, but we do need to remove the payroll tax cap. (nt)  w4rma   May-22-10 08:23 AM   #53 
  - If we did that, wouldn't the people making huge salaries get an even bigger check when they retire?  CrispyQ   May-22-10 09:12 AM   #59 
  - The relationship between paying in & taking out later is not linear.  Jackpine Radical   May-22-10 10:03 AM   #81 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:32 AM   #67 
  - removing the cap is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:01 PM   #142 
  - Means testing will make it easier for them to completely dismantle it  bullwinkle428   May-22-10 10:09 AM   #87 
  - I believe a 'means test'  femrap   May-22-10 11:59 AM   #119 
  - Thank you for that post, femrap. I agree with you.  bertman   May-22-10 01:51 PM   #137 
  - more means-testing is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:59 PM   #141 
     - I guess  femrap   May-22-10 04:54 PM   #190 
        - Social security is financed by workers; the well-heeled pay more (total) going in;  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 01:16 AM   #234 
           - I don't disagree with you.  femrap   May-23-10 03:47 PM   #253 
  - social security is already means-tested through the tax on benefits.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:57 PM   #140 
  - Absolutely.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 02:37 PM   #154 
  - Nowhere did I say they would "end" it.  madfloridian   May-21-10 05:42 PM   #11 
  - Correct. I will eat my shorts if politicians vote to privatize Social Security  Lone_Star_Dem   May-21-10 05:47 PM   #12 
  - No, NO..They aren't going to "END" Social Security.  bvar22   May-21-10 06:02 PM   #16 
  - I've learned to be on the lookout  tango-tee   May-22-10 07:51 AM   #50 
  - None so blind as those...nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:34 AM   #68 
  - Yup, yup. That's it. Lying liars that lie.  TheKentuckian   May-22-10 09:59 AM   #78 
  - Yep  femrap   May-22-10 12:04 PM   #120 
  - +1  Change Happens   May-22-10 10:05 AM   #83 
  - they won't. they'll vote for "tweaks" intended to divide support for it.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:57 PM   #139 
  - There will never be a vote to "end Social Security."  Mike K   May-22-10 04:05 PM   #175 
  - Recommend - small nuanced changes enacted by congress  xchrom   May-21-10 05:48 PM   #13 
  - Greider's article is also at MichaelMoore.com  bananas   May-21-10 05:53 PM   #14 
  - Thanks for that link. Having trouble staying logged in at The Nation  madfloridian   May-21-10 06:07 PM   #17 
  - Hands Off Social Security and Medicare! We need them !! //nt  Overseas   May-21-10 06:00 PM   #15 
  - The seeds for the destruction of Medicare have already been planted...  bvar22   May-22-10 11:24 AM   #106 
     - that's how they do it. they never do it all at once; that would arouse too much opposition.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:03 PM   #143 
  - Take time to read all of the Alternet article.  madfloridian   May-21-10 06:11 PM   #18 
  - The timing of the commission's recommendations is telling, is it not?  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:39 AM   #69 
  - IF done, neither he nor we will see a Democratic President in 2012...or EVER AGAIN.  WinkyDink   May-21-10 06:19 PM   #19 
  - He is our Tony Blair, as someone said. He IS in office with an agenda.  Hardrada   May-21-10 09:16 PM   #21 
     - +1,000.  katandmoon   May-21-10 09:25 PM   #23 
     - I am sure he feels he's doing God's work.  glitch   May-21-10 09:52 PM   #31 
     - + kazillion...nt  femrap   May-22-10 12:07 PM   #122 
     - He is beyond your stale tired ideological debates and petty partisan bickering!  kenny blankenship   May-22-10 12:45 PM   #127 
     - I said that. It becomes clearer every day.  icee   May-22-10 04:33 PM   #185 
  - Now you have done it! I had a fairly good day - babysat 4 great  jwirr   May-21-10 09:23 PM   #22 
  - Other than the usual liberal groups, I don't think Senior Citizens have ever organized . . .  defendandprotect   May-21-10 09:52 PM   #30 
     - I don't think that would work this time. The guns will come out  icee   May-22-10 09:23 AM   #64 
     - 'normal teaparty people'  femrap   May-22-10 12:11 PM   #123 
     - When AARP started it was an advocacy group and had some clout  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:22 PM   #179 
     - delete  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:22 PM   #180 
     - seniors organized as the Gray Panthers in the 1970s to fight mandatory retirement  ima_sinnic   May-22-10 05:34 PM   #205 
  - No surprise. Wait til Medicare is privatized now that the new health insurance mandate is in place  Nikki Stone1   May-21-10 09:28 PM   #24 
  - The cuts HCR made to Medicare is the set up for that.  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:44 AM   #72 
     - Yes thats the way right wing governments do it.  LiberalLovinLug   May-22-10 01:21 PM   #131 
  - Thank you - I'm bookmarking this  dana_b   May-21-10 09:29 PM   #25 
  - Agree and thank you  Carter Hayes   May-21-10 09:39 PM   #26 
  - I like this paragraph from the Greider article:  LongTomH   May-21-10 09:41 PM   #27 
  - +all in. nt  glitch   May-21-10 09:54 PM   #33 
  - Agree with you and, ironically, as far as I know, Seniors have never organized?????  defendandprotect   May-21-10 09:54 PM   #34 
     - ?  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:06 PM   #144 
        - Thank you -- hadn't heard much about them . . . even here at DU!!  defendandprotect   May-22-10 11:27 PM   #224 
           - they used to get quite a bit of press -- not so much these days. but seniors also  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 04:14 AM   #235 
              - Thanks for the info -- and I think we should get them back in picture . . .  defendandprotect   May-23-10 02:14 PM   #249 
  - One more reason we need a more liberal/progressive candidate in 2012 . . .  defendandprotect   May-21-10 09:50 PM   #29 
  - Don't you mean 2012? n/t  ColesCountyDem   May-21-10 10:43 PM   #42 
     - Thank you . . . we need a liberal/progressive Dem candidate 2012. . . !!  defendandprotect   May-21-10 10:45 PM   #43 
  - The Nation is so slow tonight...try this link from xchrom above.  madfloridian   May-21-10 09:54 PM   #32 
  - Thanks for this.  sabrina 1   May-21-10 09:58 PM   #35 
  - I think their job should be the least they lose.  glitch   May-21-10 10:05 PM   #36 
  - Not just the Cato Institute, but the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC.  bvar22   May-22-10 11:44 AM   #111 
  - Amazing , this is something I would  Autumn   May-21-10 10:17 PM   #39 
  - TPM's Josh Marshall once called it "phasing out" Social Security.  madfloridian   May-21-10 10:23 PM   #41 
  - exactly. if they abolished it all at once, people would be up in arms. it's  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:09 PM   #145 
  - Not so sure Obama is a Democrat, not at this point.  SammyWinstonJack   May-22-10 08:47 AM   #56 
     - After his speech  Autumn   May-22-10 09:58 AM   #77 
        - I find myself more and more unable to listen,  dgibby   May-22-10 10:31 AM   #93 
  - K+R Thank you for keeping us informed again Madflo.  saracat   May-22-10 02:50 AM   #44 
  - Privatizing  bonnieS   May-22-10 06:43 AM   #45 
  - This is what I am saying.  Enthusiast   May-22-10 07:50 AM   #48 
  - Is Obama even a  Enthusiast   May-22-10 07:36 AM   #46 
  - Wow! The news gets worse all the time.  Time for change   May-22-10 07:39 AM   #47 
  - k&r  blindpig   May-22-10 07:50 AM   #49 
  - If Obama's picks on that council try to support cutting benifits then Obama is toast.  w4rma   May-22-10 08:10 AM   #52 
  - Guess who is exec director of the debt commission. Bruce Reed.  madfloridian   May-22-10 08:33 AM   #54 
  - How many here are within "shouting distance" of retirement?....I am and this REALLY pisses me off !  whathehell   May-22-10 09:12 AM   #58 
  - This would be an attack on the Baby Boomers....Wow.  whathehell   May-22-10 09:41 AM   #70 
  - The time for raising hell is now  laughingliberal   May-22-10 10:02 AM   #80 
     - I agree...What can/should we do?...For one thing, should we re-institute the CFA's Pledge?  whathehell   May-22-10 10:38 AM   #94 
        - CFA pledge would be a good start  laughingliberal   May-22-10 11:11 AM   #100 
           - I believe Campaign for America's Future started this...They may be the people to go back to.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:16 AM   #103 
              - Good information. Thanks. nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 11:22 AM   #105 
              - Your very welcome.....I've got more information here about the convention.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:53 AM   #114 
              - I think it starts about June 7 this year.  madfloridian   May-22-10 11:46 AM   #112 
                 - Yes, it starts on June 7th...Check out the post below yours. I have more details.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:55 AM   #115 
                 - Sorry...I meant the post Above yours...I've got the details here, at any rate.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:57 AM   #116 
                 - peterson's group is planning a major propaganda offensive in june - with town halls, etc.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:16 PM   #149 
                    - That is so disturbing.  madfloridian   May-22-10 03:28 PM   #165 
                    - Thanks for that....We should prepare for it. n/t  whathehell   May-22-10 05:32 PM   #203 
                    - yes. organizing & getting the word out should be happening now.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:47 AM   #231 
                    - Thanks for posting this link - looks like a great site! n/t  Peregrine Took   May-22-10 06:05 PM   #208 
  - K & R  Dinger   May-22-10 09:43 AM   #71 
  - The first post-baby boom, Reagan-era president.  freddie mertz   May-22-10 09:57 AM   #75 
  - I've long felt that  femrap   May-22-10 12:51 PM   #128 
  - One IMPORTANT thing, the money you speak about is not there --- Already spent by our government(s)  Change Happens   May-22-10 09:58 AM   #76 
  - Fix it without privatizing it. Fix it without destroying it.  madfloridian   May-22-10 10:07 AM   #85 
  - Agreed..nt  Change Happens   May-23-10 06:50 AM   #236 
  - Yes, they have 'borrowed' from the fund constantly...  laughingliberal   May-22-10 10:11 AM   #88 
  - So true...Yes, and very sad for our country  Change Happens   May-23-10 06:52 AM   #237 
  - True...but isn't this exactly where the "fight" has always been?..  whathehell   May-22-10 11:14 AM   #101 
  - Like HELL it's not !!!!!  westerebus   May-22-10 11:59 AM   #118 
  - + a few trillion. nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 12:27 PM   #125 
  - I didn't want to count all the mortgages we own.  westerebus   May-22-10 01:50 PM   #136 
  - I fear  femrap   May-22-10 12:57 PM   #129 
  - I know how you feel.  westerebus   May-22-10 01:18 PM   #130 
     - Thanks for reminding me....  femrap   May-22-10 01:24 PM   #133 
  - Well Said!  KoKo   May-22-10 01:22 PM   #132 
     - thanks.  westerebus   May-22-10 02:17 PM   #150 
  - the money in your bank account is also "spent".  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:29 PM   #152 
  - The only fix is to be accountable and call in the IOUs. n/t  Catherina   May-23-10 12:42 PM   #246 
  - fuck him  fascisthunter   May-22-10 10:02 AM   #79 
  - Who?  Change Happens   May-22-10 10:04 AM   #82 
  - I participated in a focus group and the gist of it was to figure out how to inform  flamingdem   May-22-10 10:08 AM   #86 
  - Interesting...I already knew of that option, but I wanted it to be a choice, not a mandate. n/t  whathehell   May-22-10 10:57 AM   #97 
  - Part of the plan is to have private investment firms benefit more....  madfloridian   May-22-10 12:33 PM   #126 
  - the problem with that is that additional life expectancy has mostly accrued to the  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:37 PM   #155 
  - Obama's Ugly New America discards the elderly, poor, sick- a national disgrace.  n.michigan   May-22-10 10:12 AM   #89 
  - Doug Henwood has also been on this for a long time...  JHB   May-22-10 10:20 AM   #92 
  - great charts. these facts need to get out there.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:39 PM   #156 
  - Oopps, a dupe  John Q. Citizen   May-22-10 10:47 AM   #95 
  - Thanks for the great articles on Social Security,  John Q. Citizen   May-22-10 10:49 AM   #96 
  - JUST sent a clip from this to WHITEHOUSE.GOV... asking HOW DARE YOU.... please do as well  happygoluckytoyou   May-22-10 11:08 AM   #99 
  - While it's true that the math surrounding Social Security  customerserviceguy   May-22-10 11:17 AM   #104 
  - Our payroll taxes financed the tax cuts for the wealthy.  laughingliberal   May-22-10 11:34 AM   #109 
  - They financed all kinds of things  customerserviceguy   May-22-10 12:06 PM   #121 
     - Retirement age has already been raised and benefits are already barely enough to stave off ...  laughingliberal   May-22-10 12:24 PM   #124 
  - the money was borrowed by capital; over 1 trillion in income tax cuts to the top 1%  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:41 PM   #157 
     - Agreed, they don't want to pay it back  customerserviceguy   May-23-10 11:39 AM   #239 
        - it's not a ponzi scheme.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 11:45 AM   #240 
           - It's being run like one  customerserviceguy   May-23-10 11:58 AM   #241 
              - it's not a ponzi scheme. my retirement plans are immaterial to this discussion.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:07 PM   #242 
                 - OK, you keep on believing that, if you want to  customerserviceguy   May-23-10 12:40 PM   #245 
                    - i will continue to believe it because it's true. SS is nothing like a ponzi scheme,  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:55 PM   #247 
  - K&R  amborin   May-22-10 11:26 AM   #107 
  - The BEST fix.  bvar22   May-22-10 11:57 AM   #117 
  - Lots of big rhetoric without specifics here.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 02:34 PM   #153 
  - there's no scenario under which young people wind up paying 1/3 of their income to subsidize  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:46 PM   #158 
  - We're nearly there already.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 03:21 PM   #163 
     - exactly the same % taken out of my check: 7.65%. Medicaid is funded through income taxes & state  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 03:39 PM   #166 
     - I'm an hourly wage worker.  Kermitt Gribble   May-22-10 04:23 PM   #181 
        - That's a very big chunk.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 05:28 PM   #200 
           - income tax has nothing to do with social security. social security tax is 6.2% of your paycheck.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:33 AM   #228 
           - And when you're old and retired,  Kermitt Gribble   May-23-10 12:32 PM   #244 
              - I'd pay more  Radical Activist   May-23-10 02:48 PM   #252 
  - Wrong thread..  KoKo   May-22-10 02:46 PM   #159 
  - I've already paid a huge chunk of my income to social security  northernlights   May-22-10 03:10 PM   #160 
  - You didn't "pay into" anything. No one did.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 03:25 PM   #164 
     - Um, I didn't write "paid into" anywhere...kindly don't put words in my keyboard  northernlights   May-22-10 03:39 PM   #167 
        - you wrote: "I'd BETTER FUCKING GET BACK WHAT I PAID IN"  Radical Activist   May-22-10 03:59 PM   #172 
           - What I paid INTO THE SYSTEM  northernlights   May-22-10 05:27 PM   #199 
              - Becuase its all about you personally and your story.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 05:33 PM   #204 
                 - in fact, we paid for the benefits of others & over 1 trillion extra, which was funneled to the top  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:51 AM   #232 
  - Given your posting history...  liberation   May-22-10 03:42 PM   #169 
  - People who think that being progressive  Radical Activist   May-22-10 04:02 PM   #174 
     - You are posting a lot of accusations about me. Please back them up.  madfloridian   May-22-10 06:45 PM   #213 
  - Overreaching accusations from me? Do you have examples?  madfloridian   May-22-10 06:43 PM   #212 
  - I'm not going to win any friends here by what I, (as a Soc Sec recipient) say ..but  activa8tr   May-22-10 03:59 PM   #171 
  - thanks for sharing your story nt  flamingdem   May-22-10 04:27 PM   #183 
  - I am absolutely not. If Obama handles SS reforms like he did HCR,  icee   May-22-10 04:42 PM   #188 
  - Well, I'm not sure how you arrived at that, but of course Obama had to deal with  activa8tr   May-22-10 04:55 PM   #191 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-10 05:05 PM   #193 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-10 06:47 PM   #214 
     - How about dealing with the REAL "problem"....Senseless, bankrupting wars?  whathehell   May-22-10 05:28 PM   #201 
     - Yeah, I'm all for that, and so are most seniors who are veterans  activa8tr   May-22-10 06:53 PM   #215 
     - social security is almost 3 trillion in the black. it's not broken.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 01:04 AM   #233 
  - You are very wrong.  madfloridian   May-22-10 05:31 PM   #202 
  - What am I "so very wrong" about? I'd love to learn something I don't  activa8tr   May-22-10 07:16 PM   #217 
  - SS isn't a ponzi scheme. This is a right-wing meme.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:43 AM   #230 
  - Until we get corporate money out of politics, nothing will change n/t  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:23 PM   #182 
  - Ironically enough, a Republican president had some wise words on this subject (among others)  Sebastian Doyle   May-22-10 04:36 PM   #186 
  - True enough. But where do people posting here on this thread get the  activa8tr   May-22-10 04:43 PM   #189 
     - It's been on the DLC's list for years.  Sebastian Doyle   May-22-10 05:09 PM   #195 
  - Now _this_ is the loony left. Exhibit A.  stevietheman   May-22-10 05:19 PM   #196 
  - wow--a real "deep thinker," aren't you?  ima_sinnic   May-22-10 05:41 PM   #206 
  - He certainly is a man of his word. We know that, right??????????????  Peregrine Took   May-22-10 06:06 PM   #209 
  - You forgot the little sarcasm thingie, huh? nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 06:32 PM   #210 
  - First time I have been called the loony left.  madfloridian   May-22-10 11:35 PM   #225 
  - Maybe we should have paid more attention to his reagan adoration fetish.  Jakes Progress   May-22-10 05:26 PM   #198 
  - I've thought that for a while now.  icee   May-22-10 09:21 PM   #221 
  - The comedic genius of Alan Greenspan  Usrename   May-22-10 09:09 PM   #219 
  - DISASTER CAPITALISM  Odin2005   May-22-10 09:12 PM   #220 
  - Obama and Congressional Dems are already skating on the thin edge of not getting my vote  MadHound   May-23-10 07:03 AM   #238 
  - If they do that...  dajoki   May-23-10 01:29 PM   #248 
  - A look back at a Greider video, Feb. 2009. Looting Social Security.  Jefferson23   May-23-10 04:21 PM   #254 
  - Social Security funds/Medicare clearly are the target and the prize.  stillwaiting   May-23-10 05:34 PM   #255 
  - Wow. Too late to rec.  inna   May-23-10 06:00 PM   #256 
 

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