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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:35 PM
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35. Sundown towns first in early colonial times, whole states later
Overlooked in the discussion of sundown towns is the stark reality that states like Illinois and Indiana were essentially "sundown states" prior to the Civil War. The rules varied slightly over the years, but most of the "Free" states (vs "Slave") were in practice "White-only" states. In some, free people of color were not allowed to move to the state or buy property. There were lots of examples of "ethnic cleansing" prior to the Civil War in places like Cincinnati.

There had been similar laws in most of New England back during colonial times, many persisting until long after the Civil War and the 14th Amendment. Sometimes they were explicit legal prohibitions, but often they were dead convenents or restrictions on property ownership.

In a post a few weeks back, I noted that a free black man in NC in 1860 had all the rights of a white man except the right to vote (and had that right until the 1830's), while the same man was not allowed to move to Lincoln's Illinois!

Most efforts to expose and discuss these "secret history" items are met with bashing of the South without recognizing that race and slavery were not and are not problems limited to the South. No argument that the South has it share, but so does everywhere else without exception.

The site I referenced has a fairly good introduction to some of the hidden history of slavery in the North, much as this article highlights the secret history of sundown towns.
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  - Who the anglos are changes from generation to generation  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:37 PM   #4 
  - Off To The Greatest Page With You !!!  WillyT   Apr-26-10 10:32 PM   #3 
  - Thanks  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:38 PM   #5 
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  - I knew I was forgetting a group  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:52 PM   #7 
  - In La Jolla, even up into the 60's after the civil rights act...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-26-10 11:17 PM   #9 
     - And that was the case in way too many La Jollas across the country  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:20 PM   #10 
     - Another reason to hate La Jolla....  Nikki Stone1   Apr-27-10 12:24 AM   #19 
        - It is not La Jolla, but the people who made it. n/t  Ozymanithrax   Apr-27-10 10:31 AM   #29 
  - And the Chinese Exclusion Act  Nikki Stone1   Apr-27-10 12:23 AM   #18 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Apr-26-10 11:12 PM   #8 
  - Initially more a MA colony rather than VA story.  unc70   Apr-26-10 11:34 PM   #11 
  - Actually White Slavery came to Virginia first  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:37 PM   #12 
     - It was still being practiced in the mid-late 1800s  WolverineDG   Apr-27-10 12:14 AM   #15 
     - Indeed and the White Star line transported many undesirables  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 12:16 AM   #16 
        - He ended up in Indiana, so much for the "Free" North, huh  WolverineDG   Apr-27-10 07:29 AM   #28 
     - Racial, chattel slavery started in MA, not VA  unc70   Apr-27-10 12:30 AM   #20 
        - Give me a second  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 12:45 AM   #21 
        - Gilbert's 1578 expedition failed, was heading into present day Canada  unc70   Apr-27-10 02:15 AM   #27 
           - I know that, but the precedent was his expedition  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 10:50 AM   #30 
              - Attitude on labor set my New England elites, not indentured or other workers  unc70   Apr-27-10 02:34 PM   #33 
                 - It was not just Cotton Mather or the New England Elites  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:50 PM   #36 
                    - Pervasive, yes, but led by New England, enshrined by NE historians  unc70   Apr-27-10 05:28 PM   #39 
                       - We are free to disagree  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 07:07 PM   #40 
                          - American Exceptionalism, intolerance, and bigotry are at the core of our problems  unc70   Apr-27-10 11:47 PM   #44 
        - First African slaves British North America  Thothmes   Apr-27-10 08:08 PM   #41 
           - They were not "slaves", but "servants" to use the terms of the time  unc70   Apr-27-10 11:11 PM   #42 
              - and as a piece of trivia from very modern research  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 11:14 PM   #43 
  - Shouldn't leave out the "sundown towns"  Brewman_Jax   Apr-26-10 11:37 PM   #13 
  - Of course not  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:47 PM   #14 
  - Sundown towns first in early colonial times, whole states later  unc70   Apr-27-10 04:35 PM   #35 
  - "Plane Wreck at Los Gatos," Woody Guthrie  Ron Green   Apr-27-10 12:23 AM   #17 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Apr-27-10 01:02 AM   #22 
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  - Of course  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 01:04 AM   #24 
     - But they were all pretty well assimilated but it took a over a generation to happen.  Kablooie   Apr-27-10 01:09 AM   #25 
        - And we'd have to ask why the brown were not, mostly  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 01:13 AM   #26 
  - k/r -- good post and discussion  fishwax   Apr-27-10 11:04 AM   #31 
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  - History will not  conscious evolution   Apr-27-10 03:20 PM   #34 
     - Sadly depends on who wins this battle  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:53 PM   #38 
 

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