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10. It is, but here in Red State hell I am talking again with people that haven't spoken to me
in years because of my sometimes strident arguments for bottom-up solutions to the top-down problems that have plagued us for decades.

They are right about where we are for the wrong reasons, but they are still right, and they have seen the things I told them would happen come to pass. So now we can talk again about the things we agree on (easier for me since I have no problem with people being armed) and discuss what can/should be done about it. No argument is more effective than being right time after time.

So, tomorrow I'm going to an old acquaintance's house to watch some football and catch up on the ruin that our live's have been turned into by the parasites that rule. There are a lot of fairly bright people on the other side, just as there are a lot of idiots on this one. If enough people that retain the ability to think get together, we can fix this.

OTOH, maybe I'm just being optimistic to the point of foolishness, but I'm compelled to try.


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  -People are angry, DU Fading Captain  Jan-03-10 01:07 AM   #0 
  - The one over all encompassing reason this will fail on a large scale  AllentownJake   Jan-03-10 01:13 AM   #1 
  - Ditto  TomCADem   Jan-03-10 01:18 AM   #2 
  - Ditto  TomCADem   Jan-03-10 01:18 AM   #3 
  - Wasn't he behind the Plame outing?  Cetacea   Jan-03-10 01:22 AM   #6 
  - He was also the same Dick that stood in the way back in the  Jamastiene   Jan-03-10 05:06 AM   #41 
  - Huh, I thought Cheney and Rove were behind the Plame outing with the help of  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 12:18 PM   #138 
  - It is, but here in Red State hell I am talking again with people that haven't spoken to me  Greyhound   Jan-03-10 01:28 AM   #10 
  - You are defending red state hell. nt  babylonsister   Jan-03-10 01:32 AM   #11 
  - that is surely so. +100.  cali   Jan-03-10 02:55 AM   #28 
  - hardly.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:15 AM   #43 
  - This anger is real - on both sides of the political spectrum. Conditions are ripe for a 3rd party  chimpymustgo   Jan-03-10 07:43 AM   #74 
     - It's 3rd party, no apologist time in the U.S. Perot polled 17% before he exited & it's much more  polpilot   Jan-03-10 10:51 AM   #115 
  - +1  leftstreet   Jan-03-10 01:32 AM   #12 
  - People who fought me for years about labor issues and social programs have had  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 02:58 AM   #29 
  - I appreciate what you are saying.  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:15 AM   #103 
  - +1. I know lots of wingers who are wingers because of their good goals & hearts  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:14 AM   #42 
  - Thanks for fighting the good fight. n/t  Laelth   Jan-03-10 06:44 AM   #67 
  - "There are a lot of fairly bright people on the other side"  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:09 AM   #102 
  - Do the teabaggers know this? They think they're the reincarnation of the fucking sons of liberty.  JVS   Jan-03-10 02:42 AM   #25 
  - George Soros, we need you!  DailyGrind51   Jan-03-10 08:26 AM   #85 
  - Dick Armey's  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 09:58 AM   #100 
  - They have been voting for their own destruction and destruction of their children for 30 years  AllentownJake   Jan-03-10 10:16 AM   #104 
  - yeah. filed under duh.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-03-10 11:24 AM   #129 
  - Unrec because I couldn't disagree more with your premise  rockymountaindem   Jan-03-10 01:20 AM   #4 
  - i disagree with *your* premise, which seems to be that all wingers =  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:19 AM   #44 
     - I don't think this is true of all right-wingers...  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-10 10:51 AM   #116 
  - That's why his poll numbers keep tanking.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-03-10 01:21 AM   #5 
  - No kidding. Is this really DU? Ugh. nt  babylonsister   Jan-03-10 01:25 AM   #8 
  - Basically, what all these people are basically trying to say...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-03-10 01:26 AM   #9 
  - NO kidding.....  cliffordu   Jan-03-10 01:38 AM   #15 
  - His Numbers Aren't Rising With the People Who Got Him Into Office - The Independents  Toasterlad   Jan-03-10 08:40 AM   #88 
     - +1  spiritual_gunfighter   Jan-03-10 10:34 AM   #109 
  - Cripes. Are you serious? Who do YOU want to support? What side are YOU  babylonsister   Jan-03-10 01:24 AM   #7 
  - People can disagree without being disagreeable, per Obama.  Jamastiene   Jan-03-10 05:32 AM   #50 
     - Obama has 'reached out' by using as surrogates  Bluenorthwest   Jan-03-10 06:28 AM   #65 
     - +1  Toasterlad   Jan-03-10 08:41 AM   #89 
     - Nothing has better illustrated  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:19 AM   #105 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Jan-03-10 01:33 AM   #13 
  - You mean the people who would have been union members (until  tblue   Jan-03-10 01:34 AM   #14 
  - win whose trust back?  Teaser   Jan-03-10 01:52 AM   #18 
  - Exactly, the Reagan "Democrats," the Perot Voters  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 03:21 AM   #34 
  - yes.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:20 AM   #45 
  - "It's gonna take a lot of effort and time to win back people's trust"  Kansas Wyatt   Jan-03-10 10:00 AM   #101 
  - He could change it overnight.  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:26 AM   #106 
  - Last Night on the McLaughlin show, John MC. made the following  OHdem10   Jan-03-10 01:41 AM   #16 
  - "He implied we would see angry protests with larger and larger crowds through this country."  Teaser   Jan-03-10 01:44 AM   #17 
  - You do not have to be a friend of the Common Man if you have  OHdem10   Jan-03-10 01:56 AM   #19 
  - in this case, the "good sources" are probably egging on discontent & lack of  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:28 AM   #47 
  - Zactly! nt  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:29 AM   #107 
  - The Cavuto hour? Fox News is champion of fake "Democrats for Republicans" type things.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jan-03-10 02:37 AM   #24 
  - If John's saying it, he's probably rubbing his hands together in glee & in  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:23 AM   #46 
  - Exactly. And that is why pseudo-'populist' movements that include far left and far right are so  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-10 10:34 AM   #110 
  - If the leader of "Democratic Teabaggers" is a Democrat...  jmowreader   Jan-03-10 11:42 AM   #133 
  - I'm not on the side of the people  CC   Jan-03-10 02:04 AM   #20 
  - I couldn't have said it better CC  proud patriot   Jan-03-10 03:54 AM   #39 
  - so you think people are incapable of learning & change based on new information  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:30 AM   #48 
  - I think people stuffed with hate and bigotry  cali   Jan-03-10 05:31 AM   #49 
  - i think hate & bigotry is neither permanent attribute nor essential personality feature.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:37 AM   #54 
     - agreed that it's not confined to wingers but it's far more  cali   Jan-03-10 05:40 AM   #56 
     - i've seen too many people change their political opinions & orientation to buy the  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:47 AM   #57 
     - This may be true of people who have never known anything else..  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-10 10:58 AM   #119 
  - Um. Yes.  JoeyT   Jan-03-10 07:23 AM   #70 
  - "they". you know them all, do you? check out this famous picture of a teabagger type:  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 07:29 AM   #72 
  - They're not all immune to changing.  JoeyT   Jan-03-10 08:36 AM   #87 
  - Thanks, JoeyT.  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:38 AM   #112 
  - These people are not going to receive  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:35 AM   #111 
  - Perfectly well said. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 10:33 AM   #108 
  - If you think the conservative folks are on your side  JeffR   Jan-03-10 02:32 AM   #21 
  - A lot of people agree with you...  Goldstein1984   Jan-03-10 02:34 AM   #22 
  - starbucks? please.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:32 AM   #51 
  - Those people were more than happy to align with racist assholes and stand side by side with them  SemiCharmedQuark   Jan-03-10 02:36 AM   #23 
  - We need a NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY to defeat the rethugs and the dnc........  Double T   Jan-03-10 02:47 AM   #26 
  - no, we don't we need to start where we are. that means supporting  cali   Jan-03-10 04:18 AM   #40 
  - The progressive candidates that 'we' have supported continue to support the corrupt corporations.  Double T   Jan-03-10 10:46 AM   #114 
  - This is exactly how the DLC got it's start.......at first  Tippy   Jan-03-10 09:07 AM   #92 
  - I am not on the side of bigots. I am not on the side of those who want to  cali   Jan-03-10 02:54 AM   #27 
  - I'm With Cali  ProfessorGAC   Jan-03-10 05:32 AM   #52 
  - contrary to your totalizing narrative, not all wingers post on fr.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 07:23 AM   #69 
  - Suss-O-Meter is off the scale.  Sapphocrat   Jan-03-10 02:59 AM   #30 
  - ????  cali   Jan-03-10 03:00 AM   #31 
     - *clutching chest*  Sapphocrat   Jan-03-10 03:16 AM   #33 
  - Liberals ignored the takeover of the media and lost the ability to communicate their agenda to the  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 03:09 AM   #32 
  - I agree with your philosophy...it's the only way...  CoffeeCat   Jan-03-10 03:26 AM   #35 
  - Correct. One model for this is Sanders joining with Ron Paul joining forces calling for the audit of  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 03:40 AM   #37 
     - ron paul? for christssake, he's a phoney & a plant. besides being racist winger.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:34 AM   #53 
     - But his followers  maryf   Jan-03-10 08:20 AM   #83 
     - So you will oppose Bernie Sanders' legislation that Ron Paul joined him in sponsoring calling for an  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 11:42 AM   #132 
     - Economics don't always trump social issues. Or the other way round, either  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-10 11:20 AM   #127 
        - Moreover...  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-10 11:23 AM   #128 
        - You have persuaded me. Thinking outside the box is bad. What we've been doing is just fine.  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 12:00 PM   #136 
        - Ok, here's an idea. Let's just continue to stand on our respective sides and scream at each other  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 11:48 AM   #134 
  - I think you are full of shit, and about 4 or 5 years too late.  FrenchieCat   Jan-03-10 03:37 AM   #36 
  - Ooooh, Insults and a long list. Persuasive! nt  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 11:49 AM   #135 
  - I certainly hope Dick Armey pays you well. I can see how you may have mistaken..  Tarheel_Dem   Jan-03-10 03:47 AM   #38 
  - What I find curious is that so many pro Rick Warren posters  Jamastiene   Jan-03-10 05:40 AM   #55 
  - false analogy. there were very few people here who were pro-Warren  cali   Jan-03-10 05:48 AM   #58 
  - there's a significant element of the grassroots right that is indeed  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:54 AM   #60 
  - good point. yes, the same posters berating people who dare suggest  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 05:53 AM   #59 
  - I'm against anyone getting into bed with the far right, including Warren etc.  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-10 11:33 AM   #131 
  - Isn't that interesting?  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 12:04 PM   #137 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 06:05 AM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 08:24 AM   #84 
  - Populism is one thing- trying to talk sense with lunatics is quite another.  depakid   Jan-03-10 06:13 AM   #62 
  - This thread was never going to end well. n/t  Orsino   Jan-03-10 06:16 AM   #63 
  - Yes--- lots of love here ----n/t  saigon68   Jan-03-10 06:26 AM   #64 
  - I'm capable of multitasking  lbrtbell   Jan-03-10 06:29 AM   #66 
  - Exactly. I automatically suspect the motives of anyone who tells me not to watch KO and Rachel  Berry Cool   Jan-03-10 09:48 AM   #95 
  - You said it, Berry Cool! nt  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 11:06 AM   #123 
  - +1 ! nt  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 11:05 AM   #122 
  - that is why it is so important for some to push hate and religious intolerance  G_j   Jan-03-10 06:45 AM   #68 
  - economics trumps all.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 07:24 AM   #71 
     - I don't know  G_j   Jan-03-10 07:53 AM   #76 
  - Democrats ignore this real and growing anger at their PERIL. It's stupid and smug to do so -  chimpymustgo   Jan-03-10 07:40 AM   #73 
  - Yes, people are angry.  JoeyT   Jan-03-10 07:48 AM   #75 
  - Here's the problem with your argument  tularetom   Jan-03-10 08:00 AM   #77 
  - I dream of killing TV's  maryf   Jan-03-10 08:12 AM   #82 
     - And we all have the capacity to be anti-TV bigots, as many people on DU show us  Berry Cool   Jan-03-10 09:52 AM   #96 
        - and msnbc, cnn, et al...  maryf   Jan-03-10 10:52 AM   #117 
  - I agree that this is , at heart, a class war  Mari333   Jan-03-10 08:02 AM   #78 
  - Patton Oswalt and Bill Hicks Have Both Pointed Out That Government Uses the Little Things...  Toasterlad   Jan-03-10 08:57 AM   #90 
     - +100000 perfectly stated.  Mari333   Jan-03-10 08:58 AM   #91 
     - Very perceptive post!  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 11:11 AM   #124 
  - I'm on the side of the people!!  maryf   Jan-03-10 08:06 AM   #79 
  - DU is angry; Tea baggers are angry, Both sides love to rant and rave but neither listens much  stray cat   Jan-03-10 08:08 AM   #80 
  - Actually about 75% of the country is pissed off right now  AllentownJake   Jan-03-10 08:28 AM   #86 
     - Not everyone who is pissed off is my friend  Berry Cool   Jan-03-10 09:53 AM   #97 
  - It's the economy, stupid..  sendero   Jan-03-10 08:08 AM   #81 
  - What horseshit- you obviously never talked to a real Teabagger  jpak   Jan-03-10 09:33 AM   #93 
  - This is laughable. And trollish. The the conservative folks are not and never will be  TwilightGardener   Jan-03-10 09:43 AM   #94 
  - Disagree.  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 09:54 AM   #98 
  - Rachel Maddow is the exact opposite of Beck, Limbaugh et al.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jan-03-10 09:56 AM   #99 
     - Correct. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 11:15 AM   #125 
  - I will NEVER be on the same side as the teabaggers  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-03-10 10:42 AM   #113 
  - FUCK THAT NOISE!  WeDidIt   Jan-03-10 10:57 AM   #118 
  - You sound like Rahm Emanuel.  Individualist   Jan-03-10 11:02 AM   #120 
  - I agree with yith you! K&R  Odin2005   Jan-03-10 11:02 AM   #121 
  - See post # 62. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-03-10 11:16 AM   #126 
  - Thanks for trying  Yuugal   Jan-03-10 11:27 AM   #130 
  - Locking  cbayer   Jan-03-10 12:19 PM   #139 
 

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