| 31. The bigger the jaw, the worse the bite. |
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This ain't Rocket Science.
It's always interesting to watch people try to explain how it's NOT the breed of dog. Right - like it's the same to be shot by 44 magnum as it is to be shot by a .22 or a pellet gun.
There are several breeds of dog which have the most dangerous jaws and the most dangerous bites. Also, pit bulls are often BRED for their fighting abilities, and for their personalities (or lack thereof). Too often, their owners are equally malformed or mean as their in bred dogs.
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| -Vicious pitbull attack on small boy (pls watch before rec/unrec) |
uppityperson |
Nov-28-09 07:13 PM |
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Although just to the right of that video on the YouTube page was this one.... |
marmar |
Nov-28-09 07:16 PM |
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Thanks for kicking, no "awwwww" for that little kid? |
uppityperson |
Nov-28-09 07:18 PM |
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Belated awwww. That was cute.... |
marmar |
Nov-28-09 07:19 PM |
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Any medium-to-large dog is capable of doing the same thing - and has. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 10:16 AM |
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guess i should watch first |
mzteris |
Nov-28-09 07:18 PM |
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You said it! |
musette_sf |
Nov-28-09 07:19 PM |
#4 |
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Wow. |
flvegan |
Nov-28-09 07:19 PM |
#5 |
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As opposed to a "gentle" attack? |
Greyhound |
Nov-28-09 07:23 PM |
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Yeah, and guns don't kill people. People kill people. |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 03:06 AM |
#15 |
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? |
Greyhound |
Nov-29-09 03:41 AM |
#17 |
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Heh |
varelse |
Nov-28-09 07:25 PM |
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Only one little moment was enough for the following to happen.... |
musette_sf |
Nov-28-09 07:28 PM |
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Opened this thread ready for the same old dog-bashing bs. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-28-09 07:31 PM |
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That was very sweet |
Chemisse |
Nov-28-09 09:01 PM |
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Why take a chance on any dog? |
uppityperson |
Nov-28-09 09:07 PM |
#12 |
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And here is the problem. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:08 PM |
#35 |
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If there is even the slightest chance |
Chemisse |
Nov-29-09 03:07 PM |
#64 |
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You live with a ridiculous false sense of security. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 03:15 PM |
#71 |
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Then don't get any dogs. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 03:18 PM |
#73 |
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Pit bulls are one of the few breeds that are bred to be nonagressive toward humans. |
Tutankhamun |
Nov-29-09 03:59 PM |
#86 |
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dude it is in all dogs nature to bite down all the way and shake |
EndersDame |
Nov-29-09 07:26 PM |
#184 |
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that dog has very loving eyes... |
a la izquierda |
Nov-28-09 09:17 PM |
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Awwwww... I'm glad this cute little kid is breathing |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Nov-28-09 09:23 PM |
#14 |
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Huh? |
Bonn1997 |
Nov-29-09 06:23 AM |
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I'd be more worried about the kids who play with that kid. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 05:46 PM |
#154 |
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awww, does that mean you're gonna quit kicking this thread & insulting us? |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:53 PM |
#159 |
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I did not unrec it, but here's your kick |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Nov-30-09 08:26 PM |
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So someone put his sleeping toddler on a pitbull and took a video of it. That's it? |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 03:10 AM |
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True. Dogs tend to snap at little ones who startle them. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 08:44 AM |
#21 |
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I agree, it's the combination. |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 09:38 AM |
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The bigger the jaw, the worse the bite. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 01:00 PM |
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Reputable link to that claim rather than disproportionate number of serious dog bites REPORTED |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 02:54 PM |
#55 |
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I gave you the link to articles from the Seattle Times last time, as you know. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 05:52 PM |
#158 |
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Still mindreading, eh? How's your puppy working out, or didn't you end up finding one? |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:55 PM |
#161 |
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Here's another, this time from the P.I., which reports that 1/3 of deaths related to dog bites |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 06:10 PM |
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"we seriously doubt a ban on pit bulls or any other breed would work." |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 06:22 PM |
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I didn't suggest having a ban on pit bulls. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 08:03 PM |
#190 |
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"And the result is that in my county, at least, a disproportionate number of serious dog bites (ones |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 08:20 PM |
#192 |
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A poodle mix! Poodles are the breed most likely to attack humans. |
Tutankhamun |
Nov-29-09 06:22 PM |
#168 |
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yeah, right. |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 08:02 PM |
#189 |
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There's no such thing as a "locking jaw". |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 10:52 AM |
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Nonsense. The dog's jaw plays a critical role in the damage. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 12:55 PM |
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The APBT is not the worst of breeds |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:06 PM |
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Even using your Pit Bull friendly source, it's in the top three. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 01:16 PM |
#38 |
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Um... they only tested 3. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:16 PM |
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The study tested three big dogs known for their biting strength |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 01:23 PM |
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They also compared those 3 dogs to each other. That is what we are discussing |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 02:59 PM |
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All three breeds have a bite as vicious as wild dogs. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 03:14 PM |
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Pit Bull search and rescue. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:57 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-29-09 06:26 PM |
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LMAO. Still in the top three! That's a typically stupid comment |
Tutankhamun |
Nov-29-09 04:11 PM |
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How much actual, first hand experience do you have with Pit Bulls? |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 02:21 PM |
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"The breed has nothing to do with it anymore than the color of it's nose does." |
Chemisse |
Nov-29-09 02:51 PM |
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Some *individuals* are more aggressive than others, certainly. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 03:08 PM |
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You do realize that pitbulls have been bred for generations to not be aggressive |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:11 PM |
#67 |
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You should take lessons from Bald Guy |
Chemisse |
Nov-29-09 06:38 PM |
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Asking to make sure you know about there breeding, since you didn't seem to, is "rude"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 06:49 PM |
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They may hold their jaw shut with bigger muscle, but no "locking" is involved |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 02:57 PM |
#57 |
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The "locking" is a myth. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:02 PM |
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Your beliefs are a myth. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 01:20 PM |
#42 |
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Um, no. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:24 PM |
#44 |
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You're the typical "well MY dog is great" advocate. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 01:35 PM |
#45 |
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Is it at ALL possible for you to disagree with someone without resorting to personal attacks? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:44 PM |
#46 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-29-09 01:53 PM |
#47 |
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I don't think it is possible, reading through the replies. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:02 PM |
#60 |
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I've already done so. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 04:12 PM |
#95 |
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Oh poor you. Where have I "attacked" you? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:14 PM |
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"No one has ever said they literally have a locking mechanism in their jaw which snaps closed"Wrong |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:01 PM |
#59 |
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The problem is not the term, but that you don't like it. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 03:06 PM |
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The problem is the term is taken to mean what it says, the jaws lock, by many |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:12 PM |
#68 |
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You'd better get used to it. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 03:22 PM |
#74 |
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"Is it at ALL possible for you to disagree with someone without resorting to personal attacks? " |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:54 PM |
#82 |
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Is it possible for you to do so? |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 04:15 PM |
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I guess it isn't possible for you to disagree without resorting to a personal attack |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:20 PM |
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It's certainly not possible for YOU to argue without claiming you've been attacked. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 04:23 PM |
#105 |
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Edit as misread. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:24 PM |
#106 |
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. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:25 PM |
#108 |
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"edit" is a wonderful thing, isn't it? It lets someone change what they wrote |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:32 PM |
#115 |
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deleted subthread held a lot, why it went away. Here are few more that haven't been deleted, yet |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:29 PM |
#112 |
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their jaws do NOT lock, urban legend there. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 02:52 PM |
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I've addressed that in numerous posts in this thread. Read them. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 02:55 PM |
#56 |
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And you should stop looking at this issue like a litigator trying to get the maximum damage award. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 03:26 PM |
#75 |
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I'm looking at as an informed citizen. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 03:41 PM |
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You, sir or ma'am, deserve the respect you get. eom |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:02 PM |
#88 |
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The most dangerous animals are the ones that train their dogs to fight. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 04:15 PM |
#98 |
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The pit bull's jaw does not have any special "locking" mechanism. |
Tutankhamun |
Nov-29-09 04:05 PM |
#89 |
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See my signature. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 05:08 PM |
#144 |
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Thanks for putting your prejudices out there. Women shouldn't be allowed to vote either. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:12 PM |
#147 |
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you're ignorance and defiant attitude is much |
dana_b |
Nov-29-09 06:33 PM |
#170 |
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That's bullshit |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-29-09 08:05 PM |
#191 |
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Aw what a sweet dog |
Raine |
Nov-29-09 03:45 AM |
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Fair enough. Still, can you deny the evidence about pitbulls presented in this video? |
Warren DeMontague |
Nov-29-09 04:03 AM |
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Pitbulls are Republican |
Onlooker |
Nov-29-09 08:49 AM |
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Unfortunately, that's true. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 06:01 PM |
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aw the poor dog prob can't expand his lungs with that kids dead weight on him....srsly |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Nov-29-09 08:51 AM |
#23 |
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True. This scene was so obviously posed, |
pnwmom |
Nov-29-09 09:42 AM |
#25 |
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Typical dog. |
LWolf |
Nov-29-09 09:47 AM |
#26 |
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AWW!!! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-29-09 10:38 AM |
#28 |
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K&R...Nice!! |
cliffordu |
Nov-29-09 01:03 PM |
#33 |
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Whatever your intention here |
walldude |
Nov-29-09 01:09 PM |
#36 |
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it's an intentionally misleading thread title. Which is actually against DU rules. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-29-09 01:16 PM |
#39 |
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It is the title of the video, which is DU rules. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:05 PM |
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Sometimes reading the text and the replies can help give a clue. For instance "awwwww" |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:06 PM |
#62 |
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that poor dog. nt |
mrs_p |
Nov-29-09 01:14 PM |
#37 |
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Here's one you should watch, too. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 01:17 PM |
#41 |
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+1000 |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 02:33 PM |
#51 |
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why would i want to watch a 'vicious pitbull attack on a small boy'? |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-29-09 02:31 PM |
#49 |
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As this video explains |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 02:41 PM |
#52 |
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Many people clicked on this and somehow I thought the "awwww, cute" |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:09 PM |
#66 |
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it takes a special kind of moran to expect people to want to click on a 'vicious pit bull attack' |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-29-09 03:17 PM |
#72 |
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Are you calling me a "moran"? 1478 clicks on this thread |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:56 PM |
#83 |
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I want to see how that dog reacts to a stranger boy , one not of its pack before I make judgement. |
UndertheOcean |
Nov-29-09 02:32 PM |
#50 |
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You cannot be serious |
knightinwhitesatin |
Nov-29-09 03:29 PM |
#77 |
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Can say the same about any dog. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 04:30 PM |
#113 |
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Go to a dog park. My friend takes his pit mix and the dog did not react even when a little brat |
EndersDame |
Nov-29-09 07:28 PM |
#185 |
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Is it too late for you to change the thread title? |
janx |
Nov-29-09 03:13 PM |
#69 |
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No, editing period is over and this was the title on the video |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 03:58 PM |
#85 |
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Somehow, I just knew this thread wouldn't stay ignorant-free. |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 03:26 PM |
#76 |
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Which is the whole point of this thread and the video to which it links. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 03:30 PM |
#78 |
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Hi Nikki, here we are again. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:06 PM |
#90 |
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Some folks are just dumber than a sack of rocks |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 03:45 PM |
#80 |
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I know! MONSTERS!! Check out THIS story of horror: |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 03:52 PM |
#81 |
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Are these Search and Rescue teams dumber than a sack of rocks? |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:01 PM |
#87 |
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Next you and others who pile on will tell me that there hasn 't been a spate of pit bull maulings |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:07 PM |
#91 |
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Banning one breed gives a false sense of security. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:11 PM |
#94 |
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No- it gives one an ACTUAL sense of security |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:19 PM |
#101 |
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Search and Rescue Pitbulls are..."dangerous by nature"? yup, and white men can't jump |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:23 PM |
#104 |
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Oh, it's false. Other breeds bite, too. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:24 PM |
#107 |
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Quoted For Truth! "The breed is dangerous by nature." |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 04:44 PM |
#126 |
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White men can't jump or dance either. Women shouldn't be allowed to drive or vote since |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:52 PM |
#131 |
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And what personal experience do you have to indicate this? |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 04:56 PM |
#133 |
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dupe |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:15 PM |
#99 |
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We are soooooo bad for "piling" on your prejudices, right. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:15 PM |
#100 |
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You probably can't see the irony in that statement |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:31 PM |
#114 |
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Ironic that I say my cuddly dog hasn't done repeated mauling, left people dead? |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 04:35 PM |
#119 |
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"responsible for repeated maulings that leave people dead or maimed for life" |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 05:02 PM |
#140 |
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Prove my cuddly dog did that. Where are those "facts" that prove it? |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:03 PM |
#142 |
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Pick out the Pit Bull |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 04:50 PM |
#130 |
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Media Bias in Reporting Dog Attacks |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:57 PM |
#134 |
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Oh brother. n/t |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 04:09 PM |
#92 |
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Unlike Americans- Australians get fed up with preventable tragedies- and do something about them |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:13 PM |
#96 |
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Unlike New South Wales, most of America isn't subject to kneejerk legislation |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 04:21 PM |
#103 |
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I guess repeated maulings are your thing |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:27 PM |
#109 |
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Show me one study that proves BSL is effective. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:29 PM |
#110 |
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BSL? |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:32 PM |
#117 |
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I do. And you have romaticized ideas of BSL (breed specific legislation) |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:34 PM |
#118 |
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So one breed accounted for 28% of all deaths? Impressive. |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:41 PM |
#124 |
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Show me one study that proves BSL is effective. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:45 PM |
#127 |
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Since the breed's been banned in the UK for decades, that would trying to prove a negative |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:59 PM |
#137 |
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Oh, I would think that would make it much easier. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 05:09 PM |
#145 |
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Thank you Nikki. Peace to you. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:13 PM |
#149 |
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Now, imagine how many more- and more serious maulings there would be if Pit Bulls were legally |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 05:47 PM |
#155 |
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*cough*bullshit*cough* |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 05:51 PM |
#157 |
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You could actually have made an argument about the substitution effect |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 06:04 PM |
#164 |
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Why would you think that was my "thing" as if I like it? |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 04:29 PM |
#111 |
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Must be your thing, as you're advocating the conditions that unequivocably lead to it! |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:35 PM |
#120 |
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Media Bias in Reporting Dog Attacks |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:38 PM |
#121 |
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More twaddle. |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 04:38 PM |
#122 |
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Just like a child |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:43 PM |
#125 |
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Like a child, you accuse others when you're dead wrong. |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 04:46 PM |
#129 |
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You're advocationg ownership of a dangerous dog that- according to the study posted above |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 04:55 PM |
#132 |
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Show me one study that proves BSL is effective. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 04:58 PM |
#136 |
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Which study was that posted above? |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 04:59 PM |
#138 |
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post #118 |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 05:06 PM |
#143 |
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And 3 deaths per year is a "loaded gun" in your opinon? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 05:10 PM |
#146 |
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Hell- there have easily been that many major attacks in the Portland area alone! |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 05:16 PM |
#151 |
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Again.... Media Bias in Reporting Dog Attacks |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 05:17 PM |
#152 |
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Now it's the media's fault! |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 06:08 PM |
#165 |
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That's just the point - THEY DON'T! |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 06:45 PM |
#174 |
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Indeed. Sensationalized. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 06:50 PM |
#177 |
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So the "leads it bleeds" local media is covering up for certain breeds! |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 06:55 PM |
#180 |
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Exactly. They KNOW they will get more coverage with OMGPITBULL than "poodle bites man" |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 06:52 PM |
#178 |
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If a poodle did the kind of damage that pitbulls routinely inflict that would be an BIGGER story |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 07:31 PM |
#186 |
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You get shown the media coverage for different type dogs and yet you say it ain't so. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 07:32 PM |
#187 |
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You think that's some sort of bias- but fact is that the local media reports on all of these stories |
depakid |
Nov-29-09 07:46 PM |
#188 |
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Yes. Consider how the media reported four incidents that happened between August 18th and August 21 |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 06:55 PM |
#179 |
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You mean the CDC study referred to in the ABA article on BSL? |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 05:12 PM |
#148 |
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This is a must-see |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 05:42 PM |
#153 |
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Apparently, the media doesn't know what a dogo argentino is. |
flvegan |
Nov-29-09 05:49 PM |
#156 |
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Short hair, check. Dog, check. Clipped ears, maybe. Big head, sometimes. Bit, check. OMGPITBULL!!! |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:54 PM |
#160 |
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The K9 article from your post # 145 |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 07:00 PM |
#181 |
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:) |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 07:04 PM |
#182 |
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awwww, what a nice story. Our old dog is getting lumpy and slowing way down. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 07:21 PM |
#183 |
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See the CDC's statement on that |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-29-09 06:02 PM |
#163 |
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So I guess dog attacks have been entirely eliminated in Australia? |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 05:02 PM |
#141 |
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The problem is not the breed of dog, but that certain breeds have become popular to be |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-29-09 08:32 PM |
#193 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-29-09 04:32 PM |
#116 |
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I guess you feel the same about German Shepherds, Rottweilers & Dobermans? |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 04:38 PM |
#123 |
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Good luck dealing with the pit bull lobby here. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-29-09 04:58 PM |
#135 |
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Good luck dealing with the fearful here. Being shown info in lieu of prejudices is so...strange. |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 05:01 PM |
#139 |
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That looked excruciatingly uncomfortable for both, but a definite awww moment. |
dustbunnie |
Nov-29-09 04:46 PM |
#128 |
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Oh i'm so won over now... not. n/t |
miyazaki |
Nov-29-09 05:14 PM |
#150 |
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sorry i'm not gonna watch a video of a pit bull attacking a small boy |
pitohui |
Nov-29-09 06:36 PM |
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It's not bad. |
baldguy |
Nov-29-09 06:38 PM |
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Do you not read the replies? It is a very sweet vid, that was the title of the video, sarcasm |
uppityperson |
Nov-29-09 06:47 PM |
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Awwwww. But that doesn't look like a full PB to me. A mix at most? |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-29-09 08:41 PM |
#194 |