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| 82. I am Canadian and thankful I am not in the USA |
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My son and husband were diagnosed with cancers, brain tumor and Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma two months apart in 1998. Son had 3 brain surgeries, radiation, chemo, home nurse visits, meds from cancer clinic, psychotherapy, group and solo, 4 weeks in intensive care, one week in palliative care in the hospital. Husband had 1 surgery, rad,stem cell transplant for chemo (month long stay in hospital, meds, and 3 months in the hospital's palliative care and home nursing care before entering into palliative care. We all had psychotherapy, as a family and individually, including our other son and my sick son's wife. Free.
Cost for us - zero, except for parking and the tv rental.
I didn't lose a cent of my husband's pension and earnings. Our son died 10 years ago this past Wednesday. My husband died May 2001.
At same time I was being treated for fybromyalgia and depression. Cost - nothing.
I now am a retired widow. Don't pay anything except for the supplementary insurance of semi private, eye, hearing aid, and dental care. I deducted the extra expenses including the cost of the supplementary insurance from my income taxes last year. I paid less than 20 percent on my income taxes, Federal and Provincial last year. That covers more than health insurance....for all govt services. I had 5k of those extra expenses and got back 3 k on my income tax return.
Us Canadians don't understand Americans...why is the fight going on against one payer? Health care is a right up here. It is sickening to hear of all the sad stories from those denied coverage from the "for profit" insurance companies down in the USA.
It appears that in America only the richest and fittest survive. It's all about the almighty dollar. There is no compassion. I feel so sorry for you all.
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| -Great Article by Fellow DUer AUTORANK-: "FAILURE BY DESIGN - The "Public" Option" |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-02-09 08:31 AM |
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Excellent - captures the gist of the scam! This deserves widespread distribution! |
leveymg |
Nov-02-09 08:42 AM |
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Thanks levymg, much appreciated...and a Milione GRAZIE! Orwellian_Ghost |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 12:00 AM |
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bookmarking |
DemReadingDU |
Nov-02-09 08:46 AM |
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Bravo! |
Vinnie From Indy |
Nov-02-09 08:51 AM |
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I've been saying the same thing for months.Trying to get people to look at the so called PO |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:48 PM |
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It's a huge five away to priv. ins. just as Obama did with big pharma but |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:49 PM |
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Not everyone belongs to the Money Party and this is our last chance to drive a wedge into them |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:50 PM |
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That's why the HC issue is so important. Corporatocracy vs Democracy and the way to win= |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:52 PM |
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= getting rid of the senate filibuster so the bribed senators cannot stop the majority |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:53 PM |
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We elect the majority for a reason...not to be obstructed by a minority. |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:54 PM |
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Great article and this needs to be reiterated over and over again |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:55 PM |
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Sounds reasonable to me. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:31 AM |
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You are talking about symptoms |
WatchWhatISay |
Nov-03-09 02:13 AM |
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Excellent! K&R |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-03-09 12:08 AM |
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Thanks Frank |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 09:13 PM |
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Alright, Vinnie. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:29 AM |
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Fantastic! Thanks as always. nt |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-02-09 08:53 AM |
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I know it's not germane to the topic, PhoebeLoosinhouse, but that is a wonderful name. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-05-09 07:33 AM |
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Yes, the public option is not single payer - we know that. But I will be able to use it |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 08:57 AM |
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""insurers fear that Congress could change the rules later, opening it up to all people" |
emulatorloo |
Nov-02-09 09:09 AM |
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It will expand and those who complain about it will find other excuses to be bitter |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:28 AM |
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HughMoran, you are assuming that the forces of change will prevail as they did in '66. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 11:14 AM |
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According to this, he will. |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:36 AM |
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NOT according to what you just posted. It says very clearly that this happens in 2013. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 01:05 PM |
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And what of the catastrophic plan that is put into place immediately |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 05:53 PM |
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HughMoran said he COULD get insurance but that it would cost him body parts to do it. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 06:18 PM |
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Bravo, tells it like it is, excellent. Thanks for posting this, OG. |
mother earth |
Nov-02-09 05:55 PM |
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Nonsense |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 09:11 AM |
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You're opinion is well known and I chuck it instantly into the garbage can |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:26 AM |
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How many times does Lucy need to pull the football |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 11:27 AM |
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You again? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:17 PM |
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fool me once... nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 12:36 PM |
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You make assumptions that will get us nowhere |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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You've misidentified in whose eye |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 01:21 PM |
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Is it all about 'the Dems'? |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 11:30 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-02-09 12:22 PM |
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Partisanship trumps the commonweal.... |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 12:43 PM |
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Not true |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:55 PM |
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Is it all about 'the Dems'? |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 11:30 AM |
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Absolutely right! (Except for those of us who are going to refuse to shut up...) |
maryf |
Nov-02-09 07:02 PM |
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There was a different mindset after Medicare. Truman signed up right away |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:08 PM |
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Nonsense |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 09:11 AM |
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How much money do you think the new PO... |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I think the CBO is conservatively estimating. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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I certainly "hope" the CBO is wrong. |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 12:51 PM |
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That may indeed be the case initialy |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 05:57 PM |
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The difference is... |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 06:31 PM |
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how is public money being spent? |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 09:59 PM |
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Who the fuck even wants to choose plans? |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 08:27 PM |
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What a dumb thing to say |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 10:01 PM |
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When it comes to health care financing, competition is itself the cause of most of our problems |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 11:00 PM |
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When it comes to health care, damn straight I want the walmart model |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 01:36 AM |
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I don't want cheap. plastic crap HealthCare ... |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 09:58 AM |
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Agree, most of the walmart model is destructive |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 12:09 PM |
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There should be no for profit competition when it comes to |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-03-09 02:15 AM |
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Very well said, Sabrina. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:53 AM |
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Agree. |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 01:55 PM |
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Just because something's public doesn't mean it's available to anyone. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-02-09 08:59 AM |
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If it's not affordable, you can simply refuse your coverage at your employer |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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^I heard about that just today.^ |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-02-09 01:18 PM |
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Most of those ineligible for the public option already have free government care. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:29 PM |
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Will give this a hearty Rec |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-02-09 09:04 AM |
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Captures Many Of My Sentiments - Thanks For Posting |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-02-09 09:08 AM |
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K&R |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 09:12 AM |
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Did you read it? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:36 AM |
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Good morning! |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 09:39 AM |
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Converting back to standard time screw up your internal clock too? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:47 AM |
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I read everything this DUer writes. He's one of our consistently |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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So saying essentially nothing impresses you |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 07:17 PM |
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Nope. I just know what I like. |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 08:58 PM |
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Agreed. Wish I could save up recs and give them all to him! |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 08:59 PM |
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yes. I read it and REC |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 09:58 AM |
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Why? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:00 AM |
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A monkey can cheerlead the plan without critical appraisal also. |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 10:02 AM |
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True, but certain monkeys here never promote anything the Dems do |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:05 AM |
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Facts I've presented previously |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:35 PM |
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K&R |
Individualist |
Nov-02-09 10:09 AM |
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indeed... kick and rec(nt) |
fascisthunter |
Nov-02-09 10:09 AM |
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I think the OP has pulled out enough points from the bills to make |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 10:54 AM |
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Thank you! |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:38 PM |
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Recommend. Thanks for posting, Orwellian_Ghost. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 11:16 AM |
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K&R!! Best article on this yet. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-02-09 11:17 AM |
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memories... |
kpete |
Nov-02-09 11:32 AM |
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He is also extremely handsome. |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 12:32 PM |
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Me in my later years;) |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:52 PM |
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K&R for Michael. Spot on as usual. nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 11:35 AM |
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Public Option is a ruse. It's nothing but a distraction ("shiny object") for the gullible. |
inna |
Nov-02-09 11:35 AM |
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knr. Thanks for posting. Yes, the Money Party members have definitely |
nightrain |
Nov-02-09 11:57 AM |
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It's only class warfare |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:53 PM |
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Do the math: |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 12:18 PM |
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K&R |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 12:36 PM |
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K & R |
malaise |
Nov-02-09 12:55 PM |
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Kick |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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drink some nice herbal tea |
placton |
Nov-02-09 02:28 PM |
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It's a totally rigged system-from our elections to banking & everything in between. |
mod mom |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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I would join you in having a sad face but |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:08 PM |
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K & R! nt |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-02-09 03:31 PM |
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What archery! |
kimmerspixelated |
Nov-02-09 03:36 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-02-09 04:22 PM |
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Hey Joe |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:40 AM |
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Where're you going with that gun in your hand? |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-04-09 10:50 AM |
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Exactly!!! |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 02:32 PM |
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K & R |
Better Believe It |
Nov-02-09 04:31 PM |
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K&R |
hay rick |
Nov-02-09 04:39 PM |
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Just one more first for the USA. |
ipaint |
Nov-02-09 04:40 PM |
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And they said it couldn't be done! |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:09 PM |
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Uniquely American = Long Con. Ok sometimes also the Short Con. nt |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 09:04 PM |
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K&R |
valerief |
Nov-02-09 04:43 PM |
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Amid so much deliberate obfuscation by the Repubs, an explanation like this is |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-02-09 04:44 PM |
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Sigh |
Egnever |
Nov-02-09 06:36 PM |
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The facts are that every major Dem against any public option |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 07:09 PM |
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+1 |
zeos3 |
Nov-02-09 07:24 PM |
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Ah, the magisterial superiority of the pseudo-intellectual troll. Awesome. Just awesome. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-03-09 10:09 AM |
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Whenever I see "sigh" I think of febble;) |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:21 AM |
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Gee. Thanks for that, Mike! I'd been trying to remember her name. There's an Irish horse |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-05-09 07:32 AM |
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;) |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 02:23 PM |
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Here you go |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:19 AM |
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Kick. |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 05:36 PM |
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I really don't see it as that pessimistic, it is a break from the status quo just not... |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Nov-02-09 05:41 PM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Nov-02-09 05:49 PM |
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I am Canadian and thankful I am not in the USA |
riverbendviewgal |
Nov-02-09 07:02 PM |
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You've critiqued our problems quite nicely. |
CLANG |
Nov-02-09 09:29 PM |
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aw riverbendviewgal |
Skittles |
Nov-03-09 12:13 AM |
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You Canadians don't understand. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 09:06 AM |
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The problem in America is that... |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 10:08 AM |
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K&R |
maryf |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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Reading this, I am reminded of a thought that I had about a week ago |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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That's good, only it should be reversed: for every $.50 on war, $1 on domestic welfare |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 09:13 PM |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-03-09 01:13 PM |
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And the worst part |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 09:13 AM |
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I think the reason they won't let it happen is that there is a whole industry that will lose jobs |
earcandle |
Nov-02-09 11:34 PM |
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Medicare took 11 months to implement -- |
nilram |
Nov-02-09 11:57 PM |
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thanks for this link |
msedano |
Nov-03-09 12:29 AM |
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what 10 years after they put it in place in four more years? |
WatchWhatISay |
Nov-03-09 02:11 AM |
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Excellent overview of a depressing scenario. Michael Collins tells it true! nt |
puebloknot |
Nov-03-09 01:32 AM |
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The Great Awakening |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:43 AM |
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Other People's Money - they want it at the cost of your life, but it's not called murder |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-03-09 01:40 AM |
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K&R especially for hughmorans of the world |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 01:40 AM |
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K&R |
Hubert Flottz |
Nov-03-09 02:51 AM |
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Sighhhh. KnR |
Pooka Fey |
Nov-03-09 06:33 AM |
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Recommend! |
timzi |
Nov-03-09 07:56 AM |
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K & R. It may not be pretty, but the truth WILL set you free. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-03-09 07:58 AM |
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I love your choice of name. |
Kurovski |
Nov-05-09 04:11 PM |
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Thanks, Ghost. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:26 AM |
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kick |
yurbud |
Nov-03-09 01:21 PM |
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Yep. The naivete hurts. n/t |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 01:21 PM |
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Worth another kick, nt |
maryf |
Nov-03-09 07:48 PM |
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Kick |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:39 AM |
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People are SLOWLY Seeing the Long Con |
soarsboard2 |
Nov-04-09 11:33 AM |
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It's like watching paint dry but ... |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:06 AM |
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