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Naive me. Hot sauce in mouth acceptable punishment among some fundamentalists.
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This just stunned me. I had no idea. Looks like it is promoted by Today's Christian Women magazine, and also by James Dobson's Focus on the Family.

"Hot Saucing" A traditional method for punishing children

What it is:
"Hot Saucing" (a.k.a. "Hot Tongue") involves burning a child's tongue with Tabasco or a similar hot sauce as a punishment for unacceptable behavior. It is generally used when the child's misbehavior is related to the use of their mouth: talking back to adults, lying, biting someone, swearing, spitting, refusing to eat, etc. Variations on the punishment include the use of acetic acid (vinegar), lemon juice, soap or some other highly noxious substance.

According to the Washington Post, " 'Hot saucing,' or 'hot tongue,' has roots in Southern culture, according to some advocates of the controversial disciplinary method, but it has spread throughout the country. Nobody keeps track of how many parents do it, but most experts...including pediatricians, psychologists and child welfare professionals, ... familiar with it." 1

"Hot Saucing" has been promoted on some Internet sites, in Today's Christian Woman magazine and in a Focus on the Family book, described below. Focus on the Family is a Fundamentalist Christian agency located in Colorado Springs, CO.

More about it.

Medical contraindications:

Carleton Kendrick, a family therapist from Boston, MA, recommends against the use of hot saucing. He said that it can burn the child's esophagus and cause their tongue to swell. This can create a potential choking hazard. He said: "There are many different kinds of hot sauce on the market, and parents who say they know the dilution to use so it won't sting, or say they only use one drop, are wrong. It's done because it hurts. It stings. It burns. It makes you nauseous." Giorgio Kulp, a pediatrician in Montgomery County, VA, says that the use of hot sauce on children is dangerous because of the risk of swelling and the possibility of triggering unknown allergies. He notes that "Every child's reaction, physically, is different." So it might be safe for one child but not another.

An associated method of inflicting pain on children is the force feeding of hot-peppers. Two child psychologists reported that this "can result in anaphylaxis or cause significant burns and damage to developing tissues in the mouth, esophagus, intestinal walls, stomach, and colon."

As I said, I must be naive. Not long ago I posted about the day care center in Florida which is in trouble because one of the teachers used this method.

Florida licensed day care teacher taped mouths, locked in closets, put hot sauce in mouths to punish

This is one of the licensed day care that gets state money to run pre-kindergarten classes. I believe they lost that privilege.

A Lakeland day care faces sanctions for failing to report suspicions that a teacher was taping the mouths of children in her care, locking them in a closet and dispensing hot sauce to cure ill behavior. The issue came to light June 1 after the department received a complaint about the abuse going on at Colors R Us, which is licensed for 89 children and has been in business since 2004. The person filing the complaint told DCF that staff were failing to notify the state's abuse hotline, as the law requires.

That is stunning to me to see that method advocated by some Christian groups.

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  -Naive me. Hot sauce in mouth acceptable punishment among some fundamentalists. madfloridian  Oct-14-09 01:01 AM   #0 
  - Haven't they heard about washing their mouths out with soap?  timeforpeace   Oct-14-09 01:04 AM   #1 
  - Doesn't inflict a painful enough punishment...  depakid   Oct-14-09 02:52 AM   #24 
  - aw c'mon!  DontTreadOnMe   Oct-14-09 01:07 AM   #2 
  - Do these good Christians know they're using homeopathic magic  EFerrari   Oct-14-09 01:11 AM   #3 
  - Oh.My.God.  AllyCat   Oct-14-09 01:11 AM   #4 
  - My mom used to wash out my mouth with soap when I was a child.  CaliforniaPeggy   Oct-14-09 01:15 AM   #5 
  - +1 and, I drink Tabasco sauce like milk.  OffWithTheirHeads   Oct-14-09 01:32 AM   #9 
  - But...didn't Jesus say  MineralMan   Oct-14-09 08:01 AM   #27 
     - I think he really said, " Shut them brats up - beat their nasty ass." That's the  old mark   Oct-17-09 05:13 AM   #45 
  - My mom did too, and scraped the soap against my teeth.  Ineeda   Oct-14-09 05:47 AM   #26 
  - I think I know where James Dobson would really like to shove that bottle of hot sauce.  lutherj   Oct-14-09 01:16 AM   #6 
  - You know this is not just done in the US  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-14-09 01:17 AM   #7 
  - And parents should be forewarned.....  DeSwiss   Oct-14-09 01:28 AM   #8 
  - there are some hot sauces that can be pretty dangerous  notadmblnd   Oct-14-09 01:33 AM   #10 
  - Good though, huh.  OffWithTheirHeads   Oct-14-09 01:41 AM   #12 
     - Given I started eating hot sauce adn biting serranos by  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-14-09 01:46 AM   #15 
        - The warning on my bottle of Blair's Ultra Death  notadmblnd   Oct-14-09 04:54 PM   #36 
  - All shit like this teaches kids is that adults are sadists  Chulanowa   Oct-14-09 01:35 AM   #11 
  - That's all this stuff taught me..........  PDJane   Oct-14-09 01:41 AM   #13 
  - Yup!  OffWithTheirHeads   Oct-14-09 01:43 AM   #14 
  - +1 - it's a good way to turn kids into authoritarian bullying assholes  WildEyedLiberal   Oct-14-09 01:56 PM   #35 
  - More of the good old try to control your child through pain and torture  mrcheerful   Oct-14-09 01:54 AM   #16 
  - In Florida, no eating soap either.  flvegan   Oct-14-09 02:01 AM   #17 
  - Wouldn't it be better to educate people than throw them in jail  Jeep789   Oct-14-09 02:44 AM   #21 
  - Hell, why not douse their eyes with Tabasco?  trusty elf   Oct-14-09 02:09 AM   #18 
  - The first time I heard of this stupidity was from that woman who  Liquorice   Oct-14-09 02:10 AM   #19 
  - This part about Blair was at the first link. I never heard of such stuff as this.  madfloridian   Oct-14-09 01:48 PM   #33 
  - If I can get some chicken wings with it then sign me right up.  Cessna Invesco Palin   Oct-14-09 02:17 AM   #20 
  - As a teacher, I am a mandatory abuse reporter.  harry_pothead   Oct-14-09 02:47 AM   #22 
  - In Arizona, teachers are still allowed to hit students.  armyowalgreens   Oct-14-09 02:48 AM   #23 
  - This will create many with eating disorders.  Gman2   Oct-14-09 05:00 AM   #25 
  - When watching The Passion of the Christ stops doing it for you. n/t  Orsino   Oct-14-09 08:13 AM   #28 
  - A daycare used this method??? I worked in daycare for two years and we could not  Jennicut   Oct-14-09 08:30 AM   #29 
  - If you kids don't stop fighting we're going out for wings!  JVS   Oct-14-09 08:34 AM   #30 
  - Declared legal in Sarasota in 2004. This stuff stuns me.  madfloridian   Oct-14-09 11:13 AM   #31 
  - Drinking hot sauce is far worse than putting it on the child's tongue.  madfloridian   Oct-16-09 11:08 PM   #38 
  - " 'Hot saucing,' or 'hot tongue,' has roots in Southern culture..."  dysfunctional press   Oct-14-09 11:18 AM   #32 
  - That does not surprise me one bit.  madfloridian   Oct-16-09 11:39 PM   #42 
  - I'll make a deal with you  MajorChode   Oct-17-09 05:54 AM   #46 
  - assholes.  Mari333   Oct-14-09 01:51 PM   #34 
  - Some public school principals, too  KamaAina   Oct-14-09 05:07 PM   #37 
  - "...cause significant burns and damage to developing tissues in the mouth, esophagus"  Contrary1   Oct-16-09 11:18 PM   #39 
  - I got hot saused, spanked, punched, tied up, kicked, grounded....  Lagomorph   Oct-16-09 11:26 PM   #40 
  - It makes me sad that something so good is used for punishment.  aikoaiko   Oct-16-09 11:36 PM   #41 
  - Lord help 'um if they get caught masturbating!!  bertman   Oct-16-09 11:47 PM   #43 
  - lol  madfloridian   Oct-17-09 12:28 PM   #48 
  - For refusing to EAT?????  Manifestor_of_Light   Oct-17-09 04:40 AM   #44 
  - It is always stunning to me  quaker bill   Oct-17-09 06:14 AM   #47 

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