Reply #141: We declare it over.

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Al-Qaeda isn't in Afghanistan anymore. They aren't even solvent. They are leaderless and bankrupt. We are not afraid of them, anymore. The Taliban is a mixed bag. We are paying Pakistan over 1.5Billion, that money is not without strings, keep the Pakistan Taliban contained. I am curious to see how the ground offensive in South Waziristan goes. Most of what is left of the Afgan Taliban are fighting us because we are there.

When we leave, they will no longer have us to fight. Not all of them are "the bad Taliban" The lump label neglects the moderate ones who provide services. I know that is hard for a lot to hear, but that is the case.

I also don't see how our military or politicians can offer any support whatsoever to Karzai. They are asking for mistrust and animosity from the Afghanis if they go down that road.