Reply #5: Some of us have been coping with the

[HillbillyBob]

drizzlin stuff since Raygun...and I did not vote for him or W or Clinton the secnd time either.
It has taken 30 years of right wing nuttiness, selfishness and greed to bring us here.

I don't know what took so many so long to wake up. Some of us were awake and aware from the get go, then again I grew up around a lot of evangelicals and hearing them gloat and preach about family values and being soldiers of gawd and white power etc ad nausea, and spent a portion of work life in design firm dealing with the very wealthy..I usually felt like I needed a shower after making a delivery at some of these folks winter homes, even if I had not broke a sweat. BTW Leona H was as big a b ch as was reported.

I have brothers and cousins such as you describe.
I even said to some of them prior to the 2000 selection "If W gets in the WhiteHouse we will be at war with Iran and or Iraq in about 2 yrs and your kids will be expected to go". None have and there are a passel that are old enough.

In 2004 I got , "who will protect us?" or should that be pretext?
I told them the election of 2000 was a sham and a shame, 2004 would likely be and we went to war under false pretenses, Iraq didn't have a thing to do with terrorism except maybe what we inflicted with 'Shock and Awe". I got a real ration of crap from them as I spoke to, I have not spoke with any of them since Gramma passed 3 years ago and I might not have spoken to them then either if they had not been at her bedside.
They knew about the torture allegations since Lindy England went to the same High School I did (considerably later than I )