| 2. Merck for Merckans. They're testing it on us before they give it to some |
| -Gardisal vaccine: rate of serious adverse effects higher than rate of cervical cancer |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 08:31 PM |
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I'm getting this vaccine tomorrow actually. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-18-09 08:33 PM |
#1 |
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You're an intelligent adult, so that decision is yours to make, and now you |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 08:38 PM |
#8 |
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Oh my god. You have kids? |
chascarrillo |
Aug-19-09 03:08 AM |
#115 |
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Right. I'm illiterate, just like the editorial writer in the Journal of the AMA. |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 07:11 AM |
#121 |
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I'm not about to question |
FLDCVADem |
Aug-19-09 06:24 PM |
#128 |
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It's actually being prevented because in the vast majority of cases |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 10:28 PM |
#130 |
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Actually, the disease *is* prevented through screening |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 01:33 PM |
#138 |
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Gardasil vaccinates against the viruses that cause 70% of cervical cancers. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:38 PM |
#155 |
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There is a link between HPV and cervical cancer. |
LisaL |
Aug-20-09 06:27 PM |
#178 |
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What % of women with HPV types 16 and 18 develop cervical cancer? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 10:11 PM |
#185 |
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So how's the pay there in the pharma industry? nt |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-20-09 02:40 PM |
#145 |
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why in the world would you say such a thing? |
AuntPatsy |
Aug-21-09 03:42 PM |
#200 |
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Merck for Merckans. They're testing it on us before they give it to some |
valerief |
Aug-18-09 08:33 PM |
#2 |
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LOL. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 08:33 PM |
#3 |
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hehehehe! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Aug-18-09 08:34 PM |
#4 |
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More truth to that than you want to know |
liberal N proud |
Aug-18-09 08:36 PM |
#6 |
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We share the same suspicions. |
nc4bo |
Aug-18-09 09:26 PM |
#43 |
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Honestly? I am a bit skittish about every medicine that came out during w |
KakistocracyHater |
Aug-19-09 12:52 AM |
#101 |
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I think there are always people who cannot tolerate vaccines. |
tabatha |
Aug-18-09 08:35 PM |
#5 |
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Some vaccines are safer than others. The old DPT vaccine, for example, |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 08:40 PM |
#10 |
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not all children. only girl children. |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 01:39 PM |
#139 |
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So that's your problem. mmmmmmkay. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:39 PM |
#156 |
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it's one issue...and it's legitimate |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 05:48 PM |
#174 |
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Because it's not approved for use in boys or men yet. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 10:13 PM |
#186 |
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I'll believe it when I see it |
northernlights |
Aug-21-09 04:44 AM |
#190 |
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So 6 people out of every 100,000 have a serious reaction? Wow that's scary, not. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 08:36 PM |
#7 |
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Then you should feel exactly the same way about cervical cancer. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 08:42 PM |
#11 |
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You're right. What's six or seven thousand deaths per year? n/t |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Aug-18-09 08:46 PM |
#12 |
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Don't bother arguing with PwnMom; she's a die-hard anti-vacciner. (NT) |
Tesha |
Aug-20-09 05:29 PM |
#173 |
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Almost eliminated, except the 3500 or so deaths per year in the US. |
Liberal Veteran |
Aug-18-09 08:47 PM |
#13 |
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The rate of "serious adverse effects" is higher than |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:00 PM |
#18 |
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Those serious adverse side effects like fainting. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:06 PM |
#26 |
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Fainting isn't a serious side effect. Blood clots, seizures, deaths are. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:13 PM |
#34 |
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But to date there have only been 39 deaths so not really. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:19 PM |
#38 |
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Fainting wasn't considered a serious reaction. And your repeating it won't make it so. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:22 PM |
#41 |
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It is the most common adverse reaction though. Only 0.006% of people have a serious reaction. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:30 PM |
#48 |
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Hello? |
LisaL |
Aug-18-09 10:54 PM |
#88 |
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Who here is telling you to give it to your kids? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:57 PM |
#89 |
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What are the long term studies of the rate of servical |
LisaL |
Aug-18-09 10:59 PM |
#91 |
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I'll tell you what here's how you spell cervical. That may help your research. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 11:27 PM |
#93 |
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Spelling isn't going to make a difference in what this vaccine does |
LisaL |
Aug-19-09 12:16 AM |
#99 |
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This vaccine does not protect against all forms of cervical cancer |
K8-EEE |
Aug-18-09 09:06 PM |
#27 |
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True. And annual pap smears are still required. nt |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:14 PM |
#35 |
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It's not for everyone. |
K8-EEE |
Aug-18-09 10:37 PM |
#84 |
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That's true. Lesbians have a very low rate of cervical cancer, among certain |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 07:23 AM |
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32 deaths from the vaccine compared to 12,000 deaths from cervical cancer sorry it's not even close. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:05 PM |
#24 |
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Where are you getting the 12,000 deaths? |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:12 PM |
#32 |
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4,000 deaths a year 2006-2009. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:18 PM |
#37 |
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Deaths among older women, the vast majority of whom weren't getting |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:24 PM |
#42 |
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Bringing up the 0.006% of serious adverse reactions doesn't really help your case. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:28 PM |
#47 |
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Some experts in the field think the risk is significant. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:36 PM |
#50 |
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The statistics don't demonstrate that risk. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:39 PM |
#52 |
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Statistics aren't a great comfort to someone whose family already |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:46 PM |
#55 |
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And there it is. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:49 PM |
#58 |
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Wait are we talking about vaccines still? Or climate change? Or intelligent design? |
Liberal Veteran |
Aug-18-09 09:54 PM |
#62 |
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How about this: |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:57 PM |
#66 |
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or How about this: also from your OP |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:59 PM |
#68 |
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I don't have any problem with people who are informed about the risks and benefits |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 10:02 PM |
#69 |
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The risks are miniscule. I wouldn't push to mandate this vaccine. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:07 PM |
#72 |
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I don't think that people in public health should be pushing a particular vaccine |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 10:20 PM |
#77 |
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I didn't say they should be. I said I could understand why they might. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:22 PM |
#78 |
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Gov. Perry of Texas wanted to mandate it |
Cresent City Kid |
Aug-18-09 11:53 PM |
#96 |
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Yep. He tried. For girls entering sixth grade. |
LisaL |
Aug-19-09 12:46 AM |
#100 |
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So how many people have you treated for HPV and cervical cancer and/or vaccinated? |
Liberal Veteran |
Aug-18-09 10:05 PM |
#71 |
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I'm not telling anyone whether they should get vaccinated. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 10:28 PM |
#81 |
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how many girls/women are there in the US? How many die of cervical cancer/yr? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-09 01:17 AM |
#109 |
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Between 3000 and 4000 deaths a year. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-19-09 06:41 AM |
#117 |
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that's not percent incidence, dave. you're the one who said "12,000" until someone more informed |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-09 11:55 AM |
#124 |
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Sorry you are wrong. The 39 deaths were a total from 2006-2009 as was the 12,000. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-19-09 04:07 PM |
#125 |
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sorry, you are. not percent incidence, & not 12,000/yr. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-09 02:15 AM |
#133 |
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I never said percent incidence. I never said 12,000 a year. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 01:07 PM |
#136 |
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Dave, if your moniker is accurate I don't expect you'll ever have |
tech3149 |
Aug-18-09 09:49 PM |
#57 |
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And Gardisal doesn't save any money on pap smears because pap smears |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:54 PM |
#63 |
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772 serious adverse reactions out of 23 million doses. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:34 PM |
#83 |
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My Goddaughter was vaccinated last year with no ill effects, thank God. |
Morning Dew |
Aug-18-09 08:39 PM |
#9 |
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Unfortunately, trials don't always show the effects that will come out in the larger |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 08:48 PM |
#14 |
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that makes sense - general population is less healthy |
Morning Dew |
Aug-18-09 08:56 PM |
#15 |
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Yeah, the people in the doctor's office were alarmed, immediately calling |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:03 PM |
#21 |
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The 6 people out of 100,000 with "serious" reactions like fainting. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:08 PM |
#29 |
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Why do you keep saying that fainting is a serious reaction? |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:14 PM |
#36 |
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It is the most common VAERS reported adverse event. 0.006% of people had serious reactions. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:22 PM |
#40 |
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bad math. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-09 01:48 AM |
#113 |
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Thanks. Only 0.0035% of patients have a serious adverse reaction. My bad. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-19-09 04:12 PM |
#126 |
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yes, you're bad. bad math. the rate of serious complications in *young girls" = higher than the |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-09 02:42 AM |
#134 |
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I love it when you talk dirty. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 01:08 PM |
#137 |
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Why do you assume that "regular paps" are affordable for all? |
Lyric |
Aug-20-09 03:28 PM |
#151 |
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wrong. the vaccine doesn't protect against all virus types that cause cervical cancer, |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-09 07:24 PM |
#179 |
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It protects against the virus strains that cause 70% of cervical cancers. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-21-09 07:08 AM |
#191 |
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which leaves 30%, plus idiopathic causes, which is why it doesn't obviate the need |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-21-09 11:57 AM |
#197 |
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And that is good advice. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-21-09 03:29 PM |
#198 |
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which means getting vaccinated doesn't impact the cost of pap smears; |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-21-09 06:28 PM |
#201 |
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don't know where you're coming up with your #s, but |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 01:59 PM |
#140 |
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There have been 772 severe adverse reactions out of 24 million doses. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:28 PM |
#150 |
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I get 3.21 x 10^-5 |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:19 PM |
#164 |
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Those numbers are extremely close to the other estimates in the OP. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:24 PM |
#167 |
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ok, I got it. Article downloaded incorrectly on my system... |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:44 PM |
#169 |
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actually I did a typo somewhere above |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 05:59 PM |
#175 |
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Shit happens. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 10:04 PM |
#182 |
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I had already told my pediatrician "thanks but no thanks" on this one. My daughter can decide to |
Happyhippychick |
Aug-18-09 08:57 PM |
#16 |
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Since it doesn't obviate the need for yearly pap smears, I agree. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:04 PM |
#23 |
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K |
emilyg |
Aug-18-09 09:00 PM |
#17 |
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Merck was also lobbying for a mandate too. |
PM Martin |
Aug-18-09 09:02 PM |
#19 |
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Up until the age of about 25, young women's own bodies spontaneously rid themselves of this virus |
KittyWampus |
Aug-18-09 09:03 PM |
#20 |
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"Up until the age of about 25, young women's own bodies spontaneously rid themselves of this virus" |
foo_bar |
Aug-19-09 12:07 AM |
#97 |
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Any time ANY vac is brought up in a negative way here a DU |
K8-EEE |
Aug-18-09 09:04 PM |
#22 |
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I'm surprised it's taken them this long. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:05 PM |
#25 |
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Someone has to counter the anti-science idiocy. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:07 PM |
#28 |
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I don't think the OP is an idiot or the post was "idiocy" |
K8-EEE |
Aug-18-09 09:08 PM |
#30 |
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Why is that not surprising? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:09 PM |
#31 |
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Oh, yes, from anti-science idiots like Diane Harper, the Director of |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:21 PM |
#39 |
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No one is dismissing the 0.006% of patients that have serious reactions. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:27 PM |
#46 |
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You say it's a no-brainer decision. I prefer to use my brain. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:34 PM |
#49 |
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So a couple of doctors disagree with what is widely accepted? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:37 PM |
#51 |
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From the OP: "The overwhelming concensus regarding Gardasil use |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:40 PM |
#53 |
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Here is another little gem from the OP. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:49 PM |
#56 |
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Did you know that up to 20% of people have a genetic risk for blood clots |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:52 PM |
#60 |
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"There are 772 serious problems identified in 23 million doses of vaccine,".... |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:56 PM |
#65 |
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Adverse effects are as likely to be under-reported by doctors as they are |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 10:10 PM |
#74 |
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Take care of yourself. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:15 PM |
#76 |
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Thank you, Dave. |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 10:25 PM |
#79 |
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My apologies again. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:41 PM |
#85 |
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No need. Most of us DUers, I suspect, would get along fine if we met person |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 11:01 PM |
#92 |
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I would like to see more research as well. |
moriah |
Aug-18-09 10:27 PM |
#80 |
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Another quote from the OP Dr. Kevin Ault, associate professor of Gynecology and Obstetrics at Emory |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:55 PM |
#64 |
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The editorial in the JAMA that accompanied the journal article |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 01:04 AM |
#104 |
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If only everyone got screened every year. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-19-09 06:40 AM |
#116 |
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If only we had universal health care. |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 07:08 AM |
#120 |
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So, to sum up your position |
Newshues |
Aug-18-09 10:05 PM |
#70 |
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So to sum up your position the 4,000 deaths a year from cervical cancer don't matter? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:11 PM |
#75 |
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The makers of this vaccine don't even claim you won't get |
LisaL |
Aug-18-09 10:57 PM |
#90 |
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Those deaths could be prevented by fully funding pap smears for women |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 01:16 AM |
#108 |
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No we're talking. There is a rational and likely cost effective alternative... |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-19-09 06:44 AM |
#118 |
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if the deaths didn't matter I wouldn't have said "pap smear" |
Newshues |
Aug-19-09 06:19 PM |
#127 |
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I ignore people who pretend I said something I didn't say. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:30 PM |
#152 |
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Well, here's what you said |
Newshues |
Aug-20-09 09:40 PM |
#180 |
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and here's what you said! |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 10:02 PM |
#181 |
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I'm glad you trust Big Pharma with your daughter's life. |
aquart |
Aug-18-09 09:26 PM |
#44 |
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So you support not giving any vaccine till age 18? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:44 PM |
#54 |
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There is a huge difference between giving a minor a vaccine for a condition |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 09:49 PM |
#59 |
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I didn't know kids were waiting till adulthood to have sex now. Nice to know. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 09:58 PM |
#67 |
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Most kids aren't having sex at age 9 or even 11. And by the time they're 15 or |
pnwmom |
Aug-18-09 10:30 PM |
#82 |
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excuse me, but I am a science student |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 02:05 PM |
#141 |
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772 severe reactions out of 24 million doses. Pretty easy to understand. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:33 PM |
#153 |
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I didn't have the page that referred to 772 severe reactions of 24m doses |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 06:05 PM |
#176 |
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I don't know. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 10:05 PM |
#183 |
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yer just jealous |
northernlights |
Aug-21-09 08:05 AM |
#194 |
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Not really. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-21-09 11:46 AM |
#196 |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-18-09 09:12 PM |
#33 |
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Salt, meet Old Wound. |
leeroysphitz |
Aug-18-09 09:27 PM |
#45 |
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My daughter got it |
udbcrzy2 |
Aug-18-09 09:52 PM |
#61 |
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she will still need annual pap smears |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 02:13 PM |
#142 |
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I want more information on the deaths/strokes/blood clots. |
moriah |
Aug-18-09 10:08 PM |
#73 |
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90% of the women who developed blood clots had other risk factors according to JAMA. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 11:36 PM |
#94 |
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Right. That's a reason there's a need for more research. |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 01:21 AM |
#110 |
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Absolutely. I'm all for additional testing. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-19-09 06:47 AM |
#119 |
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Fucking monkey puss witch doctor medicine! |
L0oniX |
Aug-18-09 10:42 PM |
#86 |
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Fucking monkey puss witch doctor medicine! |
L0oniX |
Aug-18-09 10:43 PM |
#87 |
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That is not even possible. |
alarimer |
Aug-18-09 11:41 PM |
#95 |
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WTF is your problem? |
LisaL |
Aug-19-09 12:11 AM |
#98 |
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No vaccine is 100% effective. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-19-09 01:01 AM |
#103 |
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How effective is Gardasil? Not a 100 %? So how much? |
LisaL |
Aug-19-09 01:05 AM |
#105 |
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"herd immunity" doesn't apply here AT ALL |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 02:26 PM |
#143 |
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I was actually going on a tengent there about vaccines in general, not Gardasil specifically. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-20-09 03:51 PM |
#158 |
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but it's a tangent that doesn't support your correct point that no vaccine is 100% effective |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:04 PM |
#161 |
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"It's not 100% effective" can be used against ANY vaccine. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-20-09 04:13 PM |
#163 |
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I'm not saying a caveat is an admission a vaccine does not work |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:41 PM |
#168 |
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Tell that to the editorial writer of the Journal of the American Medical Association, |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 01:06 AM |
#106 |
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I'm not anti-vaccine at all. But I am pro informed consent. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 01:25 AM |
#111 |
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Recommend |
TexasObserver |
Aug-19-09 12:53 AM |
#102 |
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But what does this mean for the death panels? |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-19-09 01:09 AM |
#107 |
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How is the drug "linked to 32 unconfirmed deaths?" |
Nevernose |
Aug-19-09 01:27 AM |
#112 |
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It'd be very hard to confirm something like that. |
LisaL |
Aug-19-09 02:13 AM |
#114 |
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They are unconfirmed, according to the articles, because Merck doesn't |
pnwmom |
Aug-19-09 07:17 AM |
#122 |
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So you're saying Merck did the autopsies of these people that died? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Aug-19-09 06:28 PM |
#129 |
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I don't think the poster is saying Merck did the autopsies |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 02:34 PM |
#144 |
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You realize that's absurd, right? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Aug-20-09 02:40 PM |
#146 |
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I was missing 2 pages of the article, yet was pretty darn close. |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 05:19 PM |
#172 |
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The reports went to VAERS. Did you even read the article? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:41 PM |
#157 |
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yes, I read the article |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:51 PM |
#170 |
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It's hysterical when one suggests a link between the vaccine and illness |
Nevernose |
Aug-20-09 01:30 AM |
#132 |
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I'm not anti-vaccine and I chose not to get this shot |
rebecca_herman |
Aug-20-09 12:57 AM |
#131 |
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LIAR! Also, for an unbiased article |
dropkickpa |
Aug-20-09 03:26 AM |
#135 |
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apparently the same planet as the research director cited here: |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 02:55 PM |
#148 |
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Or this doctor from the OP |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:37 PM |
#154 |
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that does not make the OP a liar |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:11 PM |
#162 |
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I didn't call anyone a liar and yes those numbers are from the article. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:22 PM |
#165 |
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the post I was responding to called the OP a LIAR |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 04:59 PM |
#171 |
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I'm all for further study. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 10:09 PM |
#184 |
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Your "unbiased" article states that studies find Merck vaccine safe. |
Jim__ |
Aug-20-09 04:24 PM |
#166 |
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The OP only posts that which supports her anti-vax viewpoint |
dropkickpa |
Aug-21-09 02:00 AM |
#188 |
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"The lie that the vaccine has harmed more women than have gotten cervical cancer" |
Jim__ |
Aug-21-09 07:50 AM |
#193 |
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This was easy to decide on. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-20-09 02:49 PM |
#147 |
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Phil Plait of Discover Magazine is calling bullshit on the spin of this one... |
DRoseDARs |
Aug-20-09 03:21 PM |
#149 |
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so who is Phil Plait? |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 03:51 PM |
#159 |
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Perhaps try clicking through the links he provided throughout his blog entry? |
DRoseDARs |
Aug-21-09 12:50 AM |
#187 |
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he made the claims |
northernlights |
Aug-21-09 04:41 AM |
#189 |
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OK, now I know you're being dishonest. He provided links to his information... |
DRoseDARs |
Aug-21-09 07:13 AM |
#192 |
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I most certainly am not being dishonest. I scanned the linked blog |
northernlights |
Aug-21-09 08:14 AM |
#195 |
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ABC the network of John Stossel- misinforming gullible Americans again |
depakid |
Aug-20-09 04:02 PM |
#160 |
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Aussie doe make good scientists...but are also totally nuts |
northernlights |
Aug-20-09 06:19 PM |
#177 |
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How dare you? |
Aragorn |
Aug-21-09 03:39 PM |
#199 |
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Yet another clueless American |
depakid |
Aug-22-09 03:51 AM |
#202 |
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I am just fucking blown away that any rational person would have a child |
NoSheep |
Aug-22-09 03:57 AM |
#203 |
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