Reply #19: Again you sell science short, more often than not,

[Uncle Joe]

they can track storms days in advance, but more to the point long term climate is easier to predict than short term weather.

Ironically, in one respect your position is closer to Amish mentality than that of the environmentalists, you're stuck in the past just as they are, resistant to change. Environmentalists recognize the need to change for the sake of humanity and if it hadn't been for science we would all be living closer to an Amish lifestyle, the next stage of change will combine the best of both worlds, Amish and modern.

If you actually studied science; instead of demonizing it, you would know a massive meteor strike kicked so much debris in to the atmosphere triggering massive global climate change; to which the dinosaurs couldn't adapt which resulted in their extinction.

As to the Chinese, I imagine they don't give a rat's ass about democracy either, but that's no excuse for us to become a communist nation, the same holds true for global warming climate change, we should be setting the pace and being able to take advantage of new developing technologies, not following their lead. However, I do believe the Chinese will come around to save them selves when they notice their rivers; fed by ever shrinking glaciers drying up. They will change or they will suffer World War III in Asia.

If you think carbon credits are the wrong way to go, that's one issue as would be any individual's home of record, but that has nothing to do with the reality as to whether global warming climate change is for real or not. The real change must come on a macro level to be effective. Your approach is to throw the baby out with the bath water, not only losing your job but the future of your descendants as well. If you have children or grand children, do it for them, this next century will be horrific if we don't change.

In short the world is changing; this is inevitable, you and I will increasingly pay out the ass for electricity; if we don't adapt, to pay for some oil or coal fat cat's bonuses, they have you by the short hairs and you don't even know it. If we do adapt, we may be selling surplus electricity back to the company.

If you truly want to see a fat cat, check out the bonuses Exxon gave it's CEO while we were being screwed at the gas pump, oh yeah and those Saudis are really hurting aren't they?