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Wed May-27-09 02:47 PM
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| 73. This OP = "Preventive Outrage" |
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As the president describes the dilemma seeks help from congress and the AG in finding solutions, albeit with no specific solutions, yet. Let us find him guilty because of what he might do, shall we? Oh, the Irony.
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| -Preventive Incarceration Is Tyranny |
Time for change |
May-26-09 06:50 PM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
May-26-09 06:54 PM |
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Tell it to GWBush. Get back to us when, if ever, President Obama institutes such a policy. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 06:55 PM |
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How can you say that? |
Time for change |
May-26-09 07:00 PM |
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Because I don't take others' word for what the president said, I look at his actual words. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 07:28 PM |
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No, I doubt very much that that's correct |
Time for change |
May-26-09 07:51 PM |
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I've read Feingold, ACLU, CCR, and others' statements and interpretations. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:17 PM |
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It is his responsibility to refute widely made sincere interpretations |
Time for change |
May-26-09 08:30 PM |
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And thats okay? |
LAGC |
May-26-09 08:53 PM |
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I hope you don't think that I was saying that that's ok |
Time for change |
May-26-09 08:59 PM |
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Oh, okay, sorry. |
LAGC |
May-26-09 09:01 PM |
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I was quoting Obama's words |
Time for change |
May-26-09 09:04 PM |
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Then Obama should immediately refute the assertions made by scholars.. |
girl gone mad |
May-26-09 08:55 PM |
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Name one president who regularly responded/refuted misinterpretations by "scholars". |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 09:02 PM |
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This question is moot for the purpose of determining what Obama said |
Time for change |
May-26-09 09:56 PM |
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"I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people." |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 09:59 PM |
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In other words, you are saying that |
Time for change |
May-26-09 10:03 PM |
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Yes, he should. |
Political Heretic |
May-26-09 10:10 PM |
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Oh FFS. Just get on with it you hack, you're an Obamite and would excuse him |
Greyhound |
May-26-09 11:19 PM |
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I love you, Greyhound. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 09:49 AM |
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Do you support the policy of "preventive detention" or don't you? |
EOTE |
May-27-09 10:53 AM |
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I still maintain that he has no such policy and that he only mentioned the dilemma. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 01:09 PM |
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So what was the point of your post 31? |
EOTE |
May-27-09 01:47 PM |
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Regarding assistance by Congress |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
May-27-09 02:06 PM |
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Actually, that's the current policy. Obama's policy. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 08:18 PM |
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No kidding. I've never seem such passivity or such abject denial |
EFerrari |
May-26-09 08:26 PM |
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I love you, EFerrari! |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:50 PM |
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Nope, it's a policy in flux. That's clear to anyone willing to read up on it... |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:49 PM |
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Nope, it's people being held by the Obama administration without charges. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 08:50 PM |
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True, until such time as they are released, which is being arranged as we speak... |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:52 PM |
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"In some cases" was the Bush policy too. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 08:56 PM |
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They also both drive a limo, Bush and Obama. And, OMG, they both wear SHOES!!! |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:58 PM |
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But limos and shoes don't trample on habeas corpus. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 09:01 PM |
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No, Bush did that and left a Brer Patch of trouble for Obama to undo. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 09:03 PM |
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This is the silliest, most tired excuse I've ever heard. |
Political Heretic |
May-26-09 10:16 PM |
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IMO |
tan guera |
May-26-09 10:58 PM |
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so what is YOUR solution? |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-27-09 03:08 PM |
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Because, in a democracy, good citizens wait until it's convenient to voice their opinions |
jgraz |
May-26-09 08:29 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
May-26-09 08:18 PM |
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K&R |
Richard Steele |
May-26-09 08:55 PM |
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We Should Call This What It Really Is -- Paranoid Detention |
Senator |
May-26-09 09:15 PM |
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Excellent points Senator |
Time for change |
May-27-09 09:08 AM |
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Great post. Political parties sometimes don't allow people |
mmonk |
May-26-09 09:18 PM |
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Yes, it most certainly is nonpartisan -- Or at least is SHOULD be |
Time for change |
May-27-09 10:30 AM |
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My God, it's like we're living right in |
Wednesdays |
May-26-09 09:37 PM |
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Any diabolical regime |
tan guera |
May-26-09 11:04 PM |
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Without even the cover of the psychics. n/t |
Greyhound |
May-26-09 11:24 PM |
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I thought of that while I was writing this |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:43 PM |
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I share your interpretation of President Obama's words, Time for change. We must |
bertman |
May-26-09 10:19 PM |
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Thank you bertman |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:59 PM |
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I'm particularly impressed with the Grenier part of your piece |
mmonk |
May-26-09 10:22 PM |
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Auto K&R with a double plus good thrown in. |
Greyhound |
May-26-09 11:12 PM |
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I'm watching re-runs of Boston Legal |
tan guera |
May-27-09 12:16 AM |
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I used to think that stuff was made up and/or over-dramatized, I thought that the |
Greyhound |
May-27-09 03:23 AM |
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Thank you --"The 45th President" gives us a lot to think about |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:01 PM |
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Given what happened on 9/11, I have to disagree |
stevietheman |
May-26-09 11:33 PM |
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I am concerned...... |
voc |
May-27-09 02:44 AM |
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Some are probably. |
mmonk |
May-27-09 07:13 AM |
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"The System" was what made America better than other places. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-09 04:51 PM |
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The problem is the general publics amnesia... |
wuvuj |
May-27-09 07:32 AM |
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Given what happened on 9/11 |
Time for change |
May-27-09 12:01 PM |
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"What happened on 9/11" is far from certain. Continuing to use that rubric ... |
puebloknot |
May-27-09 02:35 PM |
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Oh yes. Fascism. It's the new freedom. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-09 04:47 PM |
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We can't take the chance of becoming them. |
Orsino |
May-28-09 08:00 AM |
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K&R |
pleah |
May-27-09 06:54 AM |
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In a surveillance society...we are ALL under.... |
wuvuj |
May-27-09 07:15 AM |
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True...the corporate/police state is all around us |
Echo In Light |
May-27-09 09:59 AM |
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True...the corporate/police state is all around us |
Echo In Light |
May-27-09 09:59 AM |
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Stop, just stop. Reality has no place here. |
rhett o rick |
May-27-09 06:39 PM |
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Yeah, I'm still wondering how it's any different from preemptive war |
shadowknows69 |
May-27-09 07:47 AM |
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It's not |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:28 PM |
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there's our CHANGE we can belive in! |
upi402 |
May-27-09 10:00 AM |
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It's CYA politics to avoid facing failure. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-27-09 10:20 AM |
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That O is even entertaining this notion --- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-27-09 10:50 AM |
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K & R, bookmarked |
Raksha |
May-27-09 12:06 PM |
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Happens all the time with mental illness and domestic violence. |
moondust |
May-27-09 12:22 PM |
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First of all, that's a mental health designation, and I doubt that it applies to the detainees that |
Time for change |
May-27-09 01:12 PM |
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As for Gitmo... |
moondust |
May-27-09 01:46 PM |
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Good point moondust |
windoe |
May-27-09 02:33 PM |
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"...classified as a mental health case..." You mean the way they did it ... |
puebloknot |
May-27-09 02:42 PM |
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Not even close. |
moondust |
May-27-09 03:40 PM |
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You say "I haven't concluded yet that Obama intends to detain anybody indefinitely without some kind |
Time for change |
May-27-09 03:50 PM |
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Quite honestly |
moondust |
May-27-09 04:20 PM |
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I think you're the one who's reading too much into it. |
Time for change |
May-27-09 04:36 PM |
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Thank you for this insightful post. |
man4allcats |
May-27-09 02:11 PM |
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Wonderful! It is surreal that many on the left don't understand the basic premises |
debbierlus |
May-27-09 02:27 PM |
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Thank you |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:47 PM |
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This OP = "Preventive Outrage" |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 02:47 PM |
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This from a person who begins by arguing that Obama has no intention to use preventive incarceration |
Time for change |
May-27-09 03:36 PM |
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Please indicate where I said any such thing. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 03:39 PM |
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Oh for God sakes -- I'll point it out again |
Time for change |
May-27-09 04:15 PM |
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LOL! |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 04:56 PM |
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What he will not do is that he will not release them from incarceration |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:08 PM |
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Precisely. I accept your apology. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 06:24 PM |
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That poster still denies it's even a topic of conversation |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 05:01 PM |
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Yes, I guess you're right |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:19 PM |
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I want to thank you for putting the OP together for us. |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 05:21 PM |
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Thank you |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:30 PM |
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I Accept Your Apology, too, EFerrari. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 06:26 PM |
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I don't even understand why you posted to this thread. |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 05:37 PM |
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K and R |
Mari333 |
May-27-09 03:38 PM |
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pre-emptive incarceration--wasn't that the premise of the movie |
SemperEadem |
May-27-09 04:37 PM |
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Yes |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:50 PM |
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Nixon's former Attorney General, John Mitchell, had it right. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-09 04:57 PM |
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Yes, yes it is. |
HughMoran |
May-27-09 08:44 PM |
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Thanks for the thoughtful posts. |
reprehensor |
May-28-09 07:23 AM |
#104 |
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