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Tue May-26-09 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #33 |
| 36. You almost understand my point. |
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If, legally speaking, marriage is civil, then how can a "marriage" be "DOWNGRADED to a civil union?" In the eyes of the law, a "marriage" is NOTHING BUT a "civil union," in the eyes of the law. And, why should you, if you enjoy the same rights under the law as all hetero couples in the "civil union" called "marriage," by the state, then why do you need the STATE to recognize your civil union as a marriage in order to be "happy?"
As you say, you are "married" in your own eyes, and you have, in the eyes of the law, a relationship which is recognized by your state as equal to the civil union called "marriage."
So, who is the one upset over "semantics?"
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| -I abhor what the SC of CA did today. That said, I remain opposed to |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:03 PM |
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Whatever -- "marriage" is civil in the United States |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:04 PM |
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It has also been a sacrament of the Catholic Church for millenia. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:07 PM |
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Your point is? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:09 PM |
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My point is that the state doesn't recognize any marriage that |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:21 PM |
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Marriage for everyone |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:22 PM |
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In other words, your mom and her husband have the same relationship |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:38 PM |
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Well, considering the separate but equal thing isn't working in NJ, it needs to be called marriage |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:42 PM |
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I'm not glossing over anything. Of course marriage is CIVIL in this country, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:57 PM |
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I know it's also religious, but legally, it's civil |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:00 PM |
#33 |
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You almost understand my point. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:17 PM |
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No, I 100% understand your "point" |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:20 PM |
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OK. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:22 PM |
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"down graded" LOL! How exactly does simply changing the WORD "down grade" something? |
KittyWampus |
May-26-09 03:40 PM |
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Your concern is noted. |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:46 PM |
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That comment to Kitty was unfair. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:59 PM |
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No, it's not |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 04:00 PM |
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Who is "they?" You made a comment to ONE PERSON. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:20 PM |
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Thank you for the grammatical correction |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 04:53 PM |
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You calling me a liar? nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:28 PM |
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Neither has Kitty shown to be an enemy |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:45 PM |
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They haven't shown support on DU, that's what I'm basing it off of |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 09:13 PM |
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And, it still doesn't give you justification to question Kitty's |
rateyes |
May-26-09 09:32 PM |
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Then, let him/her come in and say what they do |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 09:37 PM |
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Why does Kitty have to justify him/herself to you? |
rateyes |
May-27-09 07:25 AM |
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I've contacted my legislators about gay marriage in NJ |
tabbycat31 |
May-26-09 03:44 PM |
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It's ridiculous |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:45 PM |
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and Corzine favors it and would sign a bill supporting it |
tabbycat31 |
May-26-09 10:34 PM |
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LostinVA and I are in a redder part, too |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 11:14 PM |
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If a Catholic priest performs the sacrament |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 02:09 PM |
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It doesn't matter. You can be married by a hundred priests, preachers, |
konnichi wa |
May-26-09 02:19 PM |
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And, the license isn't any good until it's signed by that priest, or |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:40 PM |
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Untrue |
Bluenorthwest |
May-26-09 03:57 PM |
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Read it again. I didn't say what you said I said. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:04 PM |
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Do you even know who is authorized to perform marriages |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:09 PM |
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Yes. In Georgia only clergy or a justice of the peace. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 09:35 PM |
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The state does have the right to determine who is and who is not |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:25 PM |
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So if the UCC ordains ministers |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 02:27 PM |
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Yes, regardless of whom the UCC or any other church ordains, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:46 PM |
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Right, but if a gay couple |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:00 PM |
#32 |
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Gay couples can not be disallowed the right to fully participate in |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:08 PM |
#35 |
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Actually, all that was denied is the word marriage |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:22 PM |
#42 |
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I understand you, and am under no illusions that we're not |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:29 PM |
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Whatever semantics gets to equality |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:36 PM |
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That's where I am with it. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 06:05 PM |
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That's just a crock. |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 04:01 PM |
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By "license" I mean someone authorized to perform marriages.. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:30 PM |
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Ah, but you see, you keep reiterating the meme |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:00 PM |
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No, I don't. Believe me. I know who is and isn't allowed to |
rateyes |
May-26-09 09:31 PM |
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Marriage is a legal term |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 02:19 PM |
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It is also a religious term. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:46 PM |
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Do you have a macro set up for that? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:01 PM |
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I don't understand your question. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:18 PM |
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I guess that answers that |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:21 PM |
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Peace. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:22 PM |
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It's a legal term co-opted by religious institutions |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 03:23 PM |
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Really? |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:36 PM |
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Yes, and each defines it differently. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-26-09 05:07 PM |
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My parents' marriage was anything but...n/t |
sipping radicchio |
May-26-09 05:58 PM |
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*yawn* |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 10:11 PM |
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Marriage is a civil function, and has always been in the US. |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 02:06 PM |
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Did you read what I wrote? The whole argument of the SC of CA |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:17 PM |
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Except civil unions can never be equal -- it's not legally the same as marriage |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 02:19 PM |
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How is a "civil union" not legally the same as "marriage?" |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:19 PM |
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"Marriage" bestows about 1,400 separate legal rights. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:24 PM |
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In California, they will have to be 100% equal |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:26 PM |
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But only for the 18,000 already-married gay couples. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:29 PM |
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No, for everybody |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:33 PM |
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And, how would making every couple's relationship a |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:38 PM |
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Do you actually think millions of straights will downgrade? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:39 PM |
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"Downgrade?" Downgrade to what? |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:46 PM |
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Beacsue it isn't the same legally -- the legal standing and term is "marriage" |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 03:24 PM |
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Marriage is civil in this country |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:23 PM |
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Yours might be civil... |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:05 PM |
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That is honored in the breach more often than in the |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 02:25 PM |
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And, my solution would require them to release that grip. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:40 PM |
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Marriage is only a civil function for many. It's also, for many others, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:00 PM |
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No, marriage is a civil functiona nd a legal term |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 03:25 PM |
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For the last time, I KNOW that marriage is a civil function and a legal term. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:48 PM |
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What don't you understand here? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:31 PM |
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I understand that you don't understand that marriage |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:56 PM |
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Religious. Sacraments. Don't. Deal. With. Legal. Rights. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:01 PM |
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I know. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:07 PM |
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Clearly, you do not. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:15 PM |
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Clearly, I do, since I am authorized to perform marriage ceremonies. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 06:31 PM |
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Are you still on about this? |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:07 PM |
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I know the truth of everything you said. What you don't seem to |
rateyes |
May-27-09 08:01 AM |
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Aren't gay people religious? |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 02:07 PM |
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Yes, they do. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:09 PM |
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under the law marriage is NOT religious. |
xchrom |
May-26-09 02:09 PM |
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Beacuse they like to make them feel better about their stance against marriage equality |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 02:20 PM |
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oh i know -- it's irritating though. |
xchrom |
May-26-09 02:23 PM |
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You seem to have a very difficult time with reading comprehension. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:11 PM |
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Actually, I don't -- I understand you perfectly |
LostinVA |
May-27-09 12:29 PM |
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That is not the system we have in place, it will never be the system we have in place |
Chovexani |
May-26-09 02:15 PM |
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Don't be sure. There's a proposition gathering signatures now to do just that. |
Xithras |
May-26-09 02:24 PM |
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Keep on tilting at windmills Don Quixote |
Chovexani |
May-26-09 02:28 PM |
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There are 36 million people in Ca. Only 694,000 need to sign it to get it on the ballot. |
Xithras |
May-26-09 02:43 PM |
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WHERE DO I SIGN THAT? Sorry fer the loud voice |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-26-09 09:43 PM |
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Too bad I don't live there. I would sign it. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:13 PM |
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Well, thank you for patronizing me. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:12 PM |
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When you go down and file for a marriage license you do it at town/city clerks office |
Lone_Star_Dem |
May-26-09 02:21 PM |
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I know all of that, and agree with you. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:16 PM |
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Marriage is the term used in society to confer rights and duties to a couple |
bluedawg12 |
May-26-09 03:23 PM |
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It's Civil Unions for everyone. And it solves the issue of the word 'marriage having BOTH |
KittyWampus |
May-26-09 03:33 PM |
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I think that's what the court just did |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:35 PM |
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That is exactly the issue, there will be a movement to start two seperate licensing documents |
KittyWampus |
May-26-09 03:43 PM |
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Not if people understand the decision |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:47 PM |
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Thank you, Kitty. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:21 PM |
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I propose we take back the word marriage from the religious. |
ScreamingMeemie |
May-26-09 03:44 PM |
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I agree. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:57 PM |
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You just contradicted yourself: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:04 PM |
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Well, if you want to get technical about it, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:25 PM |
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I think everybody, gay or straight, should have the right to be MARRIED. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:28 PM |
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And, how do you propose taking it from the religious folk? |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:34 PM |
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How can I "take" what wasn't theirs alone to begin with? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 09:52 PM |
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Because it is the benefits given to married couples that |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 04:05 PM |
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The ruling today stated that people with "civil unions" have the |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:29 PM |
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So a word doesn't make a difference to you? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:46 PM |
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In that sign, the word |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:33 PM |
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You think "drinking" is the word I'm pointing out? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 09:43 PM |
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I know what you were pointing out. But, your analogy doesn't fit. |
rateyes |
May-27-09 08:05 AM |
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DING! DING! DING! |
Behind the Aegis |
May-26-09 09:21 PM |
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Civil unions don't work |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 04:55 PM |
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Because the MANY don't have the right to |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 06:56 PM |
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"Marriage" is the word used in state constitutions to define the union. Religions don't own it. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-26-09 04:12 PM |
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The word "marriage" is not in any state Constitution that I know of... |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:32 PM |
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Laws under the constitutions ( my mistake in using that shorthand description.) |
Gormy Cuss |
May-26-09 04:55 PM |
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I totally agree with you. Civil unions for everyone and marriage |
Vinca |
May-26-09 04:34 PM |
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Congrats on such a long lasting |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:37 PM |
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My marriage to my husband was a civil union |
a la izquierda |
May-26-09 04:39 PM |
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Since we're making disclaimers: I have a gay brother, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:42 PM |
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Sorry, I wasn't venting at you... |
a la izquierda |
May-26-09 07:08 PM |
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I'll do you one better... |
sipping radicchio |
May-26-09 04:58 PM |
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I'll go along with that. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:38 PM |
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So, When do we get to vote on everybody else's Civil Rights? |
fascisthunter |
May-26-09 05:49 PM |
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Every civil right in the Constitution was voted on. Having said that, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 06:04 PM |
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Constitution & amendments were not voted on by popular vote. nt |
Garbo 2004 |
May-26-09 09:52 PM |
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Yes, I know. They were voted on by the legilatures of the states. |
rateyes |
May-27-09 07:27 AM |
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Not quite the same. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-27-09 10:15 AM |
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Gay marriage was outlawed in GA by Constitutional amendment |
rateyes |
May-27-09 11:09 AM |
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Since you're such a fan of splitting hairs, I said "generally." |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-27-09 11:12 AM |
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Because, I would prefer that the issue be settled at the federal level. |
rateyes |
May-27-09 11:19 AM |
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You are making a distinction usually lost on Americans |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-26-09 09:35 PM |
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Thank you. At least a couple of people on this thread get it. nt |
rateyes |
May-27-09 10:11 AM |
#138 |
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