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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #90
121. You are in denial --and should apologize to the OP for wasting his time
as you produced nothing but simplistic criticisms and made no effort at a real debate.
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  -7 DEADLY MYTHS OF INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE Jcrowley  Apr-01-07 09:51 PM   #0 
  - Thank you.  jwirr   Apr-01-07 09:53 PM   #1 
  - Nominated.  H2O Man   Apr-01-07 09:53 PM   #2 
  - Excellent post...and very timely with the wheat gluten scare.  brer cat   Apr-01-07 09:55 PM   #3 
  - thanks for posting this. k&r. n/t  orleans   Apr-01-07 09:56 PM   #4 
  - Kick.  pinto   Apr-01-07 09:56 PM   #5 
  - K & R, bookmarked & copied  havocmom   Apr-01-07 09:59 PM   #6 
  - Yeah , this is what they call PROGRESS .  blues90   Apr-01-07 10:06 PM   #7 
  - Mulligan Stew  Rydz777   Apr-01-07 10:09 PM   #8 
  - this is a beautiful post!  nashville_brook   Apr-02-07 12:21 AM   #9 
  - Well you got the noms...  hang a left   Apr-02-07 12:35 AM   #10 
  - I highly recommend this excellent article.  Vidar   Apr-02-07 01:31 AM   #11 
  - K&R and when you consider the factory farming of animals EXTREMELY CRUEL too  Reterr   Apr-02-07 01:43 AM   #12 
  - K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt  nam78_two   Apr-02-07 01:45 AM   # 
  - K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt  nam78_two   Apr-02-07 01:45 AM   # 
  - sorry  nam78_two   Apr-02-07 01:46 AM   #14 
     - Hey, it was something that bears repeating! ....n/t  WiseButAngrySara   Apr-02-07 05:46 AM   #17 
  - K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt  nam78_two   Apr-02-07 01:45 AM   #13 
  - Have you seen this film?  Lorien   Apr-02-07 01:47 AM   #15 
  - "The Future of Film" seems like a good film to watch.  mcg   Apr-02-07 06:07 AM   #19 
  - Thanks for this!  countryjake   Apr-02-07 03:55 AM   #16 
  - K & R. ...n/t  WiseButAngrySara   Apr-02-07 05:52 AM   #18 
  - If you want clean food for yourself and your family, check out CSA  SpiralHawk   Apr-02-07 07:42 AM   #20 
  - Excellent idea! Buy Fresh, Buy Local!  GoneOffShore   Apr-02-07 07:59 AM   #21 
  - And with CSA your create a local oasis of environmental health  SpiralHawk   Apr-02-07 08:06 AM   #22 
     - Exactly. I've been convinced of that for years.  GoneOffShore   Apr-02-07 08:13 AM   #26 
     - and help build/support community  Morgana LaFey   Apr-02-07 06:38 PM   #73 
  - CSA  Le Taz Hot   Apr-02-07 08:56 AM   #30 
  - That is an outstanding link SpiralHawk  JetCityLiberal   Apr-02-07 03:08 PM   #45 
  - De nada  SpiralHawk   Apr-02-07 05:53 PM   #61 
  - Go to localharvest.org to find CSAs, Farmers Markets, and local growers nt  mycritters2   Apr-02-07 10:38 PM   #99 
  - Eat food. Not too much. Plants mostly!  GoneOffShore   Apr-02-07 08:08 AM   #23 
  - Again, about "myth #5 = More Choices" The pet food crisis puts the lie  annabanana   Apr-02-07 08:10 AM   #24 
  - K & R  YankeyMCC   Apr-02-07 08:12 AM   #25 
  - CSA farms have been around for 21 years, and  SpiralHawk   Apr-02-07 08:32 AM   #27 
  - Menu Foods, Anyone?  Crisco   Apr-02-07 08:35 AM   #28 
  - The violence of the green revolution  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 08:41 AM   #29 
  - Would you buy food from Bush and Cheney?  cassiepriam   Apr-02-07 09:27 AM   #31 
  - Excellent post with excellent points.  DemExpat   Apr-02-07 09:31 AM   #32 
  - WHAT are the real costs of food?  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 11:29 AM   #33 
  - I'm happy to K&R....  Dora   Apr-02-07 11:36 AM   #34 
  - challenged.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 11:45 AM   #35 
  - Bornaginhooligan--your critique of the post is industry propaganda. You've been brainwashed  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 02:19 PM   #40 
  - I've been brainwashed, eh?  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 02:36 PM   #43 
  - you probably believe  druidity33   Apr-02-07 03:16 PM   #46 
  - Um, yeah, I do.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 04:19 PM   #48 
     - Uh... bornagain...the potato famine was because of monoculture, i.e, lack of diversity  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 06:00 PM   #63 
     - Well, yeah.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 06:05 PM   #66 
        - You won't get away with that one  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 07:12 PM   #79 
           - I didn't take a "for corporate" farming position.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 07:19 PM   #81 
              - I would prefer diversity over poisoning food. Plants develop natural resistance to disease over  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 08:38 PM   #94 
     - do your research  druidity33   Apr-02-07 06:01 PM   #64 
        - I'm quite familiar with the subjects.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 06:07 PM   #67 
        - just a coupla links...  druidity33   Apr-02-07 06:27 PM   #69 
           - Did you know...  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 06:46 PM   #74 
           - never read it... n/t  druidity33   Apr-02-07 08:25 PM   #91 
           - Whoops. I just saw this  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 07:24 PM   #82 
        - I have never read that this is the real reason the Irish starved to death  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 07:04 PM   #78 
           - The potato blight was the last blow to a people already badly oppressed  mycritters2   Apr-02-07 10:43 PM   #101 
              - thank you  druidity33   Apr-03-07 06:07 AM   #105 
  - Organic vs. Conventional Agriculture  jpak   Apr-02-07 03:54 PM   #47 
  - This seems illogical  Nederland   Apr-02-07 05:34 PM   #57 
     - you can't  druidity33   Apr-02-07 06:09 PM   #68 
     - Less energy (fossil fuels) but more labor-intensive, thus more expensive in the short run  piedmont   Apr-02-07 06:34 PM   #71 
     - In terms of energy efficiency, corporate farming is the most inefficient method there is  eridani   Apr-02-07 08:06 PM   #87 
        - Yep. nt  piedmont   Apr-02-07 10:54 PM   #103 
        - You didn't answer me  Nederland   Apr-03-07 09:32 AM   #107 
           - They are seeking to maximize profits  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 10:33 AM   #109 
           - Response  Nederland   Apr-03-07 10:38 AM   #110 
              - Definitely not  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 10:48 AM   #112 
              - Food is not a right  Nederland   Apr-03-07 10:51 AM   #113 
                 - That's an abstraction  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 10:54 AM   #114 
                    - Of course its an abstraction  Nederland   Apr-03-07 11:08 AM   #116 
              - I don't think anyone said it was more profitable  piedmont   Apr-03-07 04:39 PM   #118 
           - Yes, I did answer. The question is--  eridani   Apr-03-07 08:49 PM   #125 
     - Conservative farm culture plus unrelenting propaganda from seed/fertilizer/pesticide industry  jpak   Apr-02-07 06:35 PM   #72 
     - Yeah the Amish using GM crops  gravity   Apr-02-07 07:02 PM   #77 
     - Organic food can produce similar yields  gravity   Apr-02-07 06:59 PM   #75 
     - That's based on a false premise  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 08:35 PM   #93 
     - The chem/pharm industry also owns most of the seed companies  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 08:03 PM   #86 
     - Illogical? "Screw that logic shit." - Monsanto and Chemical Giants  SpiralHawk   Apr-04-07 10:12 AM   #140 
  - Excellent post.  Buzz Clik   Apr-03-07 10:38 PM   #130 
  - Worried about your cat food?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Apr-02-07 11:48 AM   #36 
  - A great book:  elmerdem   Apr-02-07 11:52 AM   #37 
  - I'm not certain I agree with every tenet listed  NobleCynic   Apr-02-07 01:21 PM   #38 
  - Wow -- don't you know that fertilizers recycle hazardous wastes?  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 09:11 PM   #96 
     - No. It isn't debatable.  NobleCynic   Apr-03-07 03:26 AM   #104 
        - Ready for a little debate on this?  AikidoSoul   Apr-03-07 04:29 PM   #117 
           - I agree with you more than you realize  NobleCynic   Apr-03-07 11:22 PM   #135 
              - You make some good points... and I even agree with you some of the time  AikidoSoul   Apr-04-07 07:29 PM   #143 
                 - A ten year plan might be acceptable  NobleCynic   Apr-05-07 08:05 PM   #151 
                    - You are basically correct with most of what you're saying here  AikidoSoul   Apr-06-07 06:49 PM   #152 
                       - A dignified discourse is always appreciated  NobleCynic   Apr-06-07 08:55 PM   #153 
  - The green revolution saved the lives of billions  gravity   Apr-02-07 01:33 PM   #39 
  - That's what we were taught in public school, but I'm not sure that it's true.  yardwork   Apr-02-07 02:24 PM   #41 
  - The green revolution is a cheap-petroleum supported lie.  piedmont   Apr-02-07 04:39 PM   #50 
  - That's false  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 10:39 AM   #111 
     - It saved billions of lives  gravity   Apr-03-07 11:04 AM   #115 
        - Totally false  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 05:40 PM   #122 
  - Industrial agriculture uses fertilizers with hazardous waste, even low level radioactive waste!!!!  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 02:34 PM   #42 
  - US-Europe Heavy Metal Contaminant Standards  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 05:07 PM   #51 
     - Heavy metals, toxic waste, radioactive waste allowed in US fertilizers  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 05:33 PM   #55 
     - Nice job of cherry picking the information.  Buzz Clik   Apr-03-07 10:56 PM   #132 
        - I'm not sure I understand  Jcrowley   Apr-04-07 07:40 PM   #144 
        - You seem to be afraid of a real debate  AikidoSoul   Apr-05-07 10:51 AM   #148 
  - As a Biotech major, I dispute assertion #7  Odin2005   Apr-02-07 02:51 PM   #44 
  - Odin2005 - so you say you dispute the OP's item number 7?  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 04:28 PM   #49 
  - With what evidence?  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 05:08 PM   #52 
  - The problems with GMOs have to do with regulating the industry, NOT the technology itself.  Odin2005   Apr-02-07 05:33 PM   #56 
     - Let me ask one single question. How do you "regulate" trillions of GMO pollen floating in the air?  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 05:41 PM   #59 
     - That's not much of a case  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 05:58 PM   #62 
     - Where's your evidence for #7?  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 07:00 PM   #76 
        - Here it is  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 07:59 PM   #84 
           - That's got nothing to do with #7.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 08:08 PM   #88 
              - You bailed out n/t  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 08:22 PM   #89 
              - You never left the ground.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-02-07 08:23 PM   #90 
                 - You are in denial --and should apologize to the OP for wasting his time  AikidoSoul   Apr-03-07 05:38 PM   #121 
                    - "made no effort at a real debate."  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-03-07 09:07 PM   #128 
                       - Naughty you --- you must not have read his detailed replies to you -- n/t  AikidoSoul   Apr-04-07 07:31 AM   #137 
                          - I guess that's true.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-04-07 07:47 PM   #146 
              - Actually it's you who is being unfair-- and with shallow comments, not facts  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 08:50 PM   #95 
                 - ...  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-04-07 07:45 PM   #145 
                    - You are obviously not well-read on this topic. You need to examine your conscience  AikidoSoul   Apr-05-07 10:39 AM   #147 
                    - I'm quite well read on the subject.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-05-07 11:18 AM   #150 
                       - Chem/Pharm/Biotech firms are patenting seeds that have existed for centuries  AikidoSoul   Apr-06-07 09:26 PM   #154 
                       - You are completely ignorant on this topic  Jcrowley   Apr-06-07 09:44 PM   #155 
                    - Can you cite some examples?  Jcrowley   Apr-06-07 09:46 PM   #156 
     - Gosh, where'd ya go, college boy? LOL......  bettyellen   Apr-06-07 10:21 PM   #159 
  - As a natural human being of planet Earth, I dispute your dispute  SpiralHawk   Apr-02-07 07:14 PM   #80 
  - Equilibrium will be restored to the planet. Even if it means we  Rex   Apr-02-07 05:10 PM   #53 
  - #3 Truth is Impossible  Nederland   Apr-02-07 05:14 PM   #54 
  - If you thought about it a bit more you would see that it's reasonable  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 06:28 PM   #70 
     - You didn't look at the numbers  Nederland   Apr-03-07 09:30 AM   #106 
        - Nederland -- you totally ignored the OPs statement when you made your  AikidoSoul   Apr-03-07 05:02 PM   #119 
           - You don't get it  Nederland   Apr-03-07 05:45 PM   #123 
              - I do get it..... you are looking at the problem linerally -- not laterally  AikidoSoul   Apr-03-07 08:00 PM   #124 
                 - Those costs cannot be calculated  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 09:02 PM   #126 
                 - That conceit began with the OP  Nederland   Apr-04-07 10:56 AM   #142 
                 - Two questions  Nederland   Apr-04-07 10:25 AM   #141 
  - Yeah, we should all go back to pre-industrial agriculture like Cambodia did under Pol Pot.  Crandor   Apr-02-07 05:36 PM   #58 
  - that is a specious argument n/t  AikidoSoul   Apr-02-07 06:03 PM   #65 
  - I didn't see the "sarcasm" note. Sorry about that. n/t  AikidoSoul   Apr-04-07 07:57 AM   #138 
  - They have a great Renewable Energy Fair in Wisconsin in June  Annces   Apr-02-07 05:41 PM   #60 
  - K & R and should be posted every day until everyone here  Faux pas   Apr-02-07 07:44 PM   #83 
  - Wheat gluten  lonestarnot   Apr-02-07 07:59 PM   #85 
  - Poison on the wind  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 09:30 PM   #97 
     - eeeeeeeeee gads!  lonestarnot   Apr-02-07 10:49 PM   #102 
     - Actually, low level chronic exposures are much more insidious and dangerous than acute exposures  AikidoSoul   Apr-04-07 09:51 AM   #139 
  - k & r !!!  NotGivingUp   Apr-02-07 08:31 PM   #92 
  - Seeds of Deception  Jcrowley   Apr-02-07 10:32 PM   #98 
  - Interesting thread  riverdeep   Apr-02-07 10:39 PM   #100 
  - Chemical Trespass: Pesticides in Our Bodies and Corporate Accountability  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 10:22 AM   #108 
     - Read "Chemicals and the Developing Brain" to understand  AikidoSoul   Apr-03-07 05:21 PM   #120 
        - Death of the Central Dogma  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 09:06 PM   #127 
  - 7 Falsehoods in the 7 Truths  Buzz Clik   Apr-03-07 10:37 PM   #129 
  - We need a new myth  Jcrowley   Apr-03-07 10:59 PM   #133 
     - Don't bother responding.  Buzz Clik   Apr-03-07 11:11 PM   #134 
  - bump from someone who's seen firsthand a factory chicken farm  stuntcat   Apr-03-07 10:45 PM   #131 
  - thought I'd share this...found this years ago....  Dakini23   Apr-03-07 11:23 PM   #136 
  - For some reason, the photo for No. 2 embarrasses me...  KansDem   Apr-05-07 10:57 AM   #149 
  - Yes indeed. K & R n/t  InvisibleTouch   Apr-06-07 10:03 PM   #157 
     - Well, I couldn't "R" anymore, so...  InvisibleTouch   Apr-06-07 10:06 PM   #158 
 

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