Reply #4: What is the deal with that? Is the concept of consent totally lost, there?

[vixengrl]

If I consent to be struck, or water-boarded, or whatever, and the duration is finite, I can deal. If I did not consent, and I have no idea what's going on, I have a total loss of autonomy. Of course, that would be worse.

I can almost envision an embrace of rape by such thinking, once you take out that nasty little consentuality bit. Maybe they could use it to make rape rooms like Saddam's more legal and humane. They could call it something like "nonconsentual sexual coersion." Or, for those who still believe that "words mean things", "NSC" might be more palatable. As in:

"We took turns applying NSC to the detainee until no further utility from that application could be detected," as opposed to, "We gang-banged that *haji* until she couldn't talk."