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113. There are many investments other than stock
many are highly regulated when compared to the nyse. The problem is far reaching and must be addressed in private sector business with regulation. There is no reason this event should have happened.
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  -F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already? kpete  Mar-02-09 01:49 PM   #0 
  - agreed  Parche   Mar-02-09 01:50 PM   #1 
  - Someone once said "the DOW ticker at the bottom of the screen should not be seen as the vitals  Taverner   Mar-02-09 01:52 PM   #2 
  - All we really need to worry about is the unemployment rate. That's all that matters.  steelmania75   Mar-02-09 01:52 PM   #3 
  - They used to have full employment in the USSR  anigbrowl   Mar-02-09 04:13 PM   #25 
     - Trust keeps capitalism going. Trust is lost when people cheat.  JDPriestly   Mar-03-09 10:01 AM   #164 
     - We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.  formercia   Mar-03-09 10:33 AM   #173 
  - The greedy who have a little retirement money..?  skooooo   Mar-02-09 01:54 PM   #4 
  - When you exploit others to make your money-this is what you get. Karma. nt  earth mom   Mar-02-09 03:55 PM   #15 
  - Awesome response. Pathetic that it is needed on a democratic site. n/t  TBF   Mar-02-09 05:07 PM   #41 
  - I agree  Skittles   Mar-02-09 05:56 PM   #63 
  - I assume you buy nothing from countries that exploit labor, such as China?  kegler14   Mar-03-09 11:31 AM   #176 
  - Agreed. The stock exchange is about businesses that exploit cheap labor  conspirator   Mar-02-09 06:12 PM   #66 
  - Not to mention that it's a scam to begin with. We don't bail out casinos  TBF   Mar-02-09 06:22 PM   #69 
  - My but your high and mighty...  skooooo   Mar-02-09 07:00 PM   #90 
  - Except the 401k plans have limited investment choices  HughMoran   Mar-03-09 07:24 AM   #156 
  - Working people who saved for retirement were not greedy.  JDPriestly   Mar-03-09 10:04 AM   #166 
  - thank you, Voice of Reason! n/t  renate   Mar-03-09 10:15 AM   #170 
  - But THEY, like ME put their money into a GAMBLING scheme.  OwnedByFerrets   Mar-03-09 01:14 PM   #183 
  - that is utter bull  dem mba   Mar-03-09 10:05 AM   #168 
     - At least someone built these things we bought, and I WORKED for the cash to buy it.  Beavker   Mar-03-09 01:42 PM   #190 
  - so there is no other way, you can't retire unless there is a stock  treestar   Mar-02-09 09:13 PM   #136 
  - 401k plans have limited investment choices  HughMoran   Mar-03-09 07:27 AM   #157 
     - I'm just questioning this one assumption so many make  treestar   Mar-03-09 07:59 AM   #159 
        - The ERISA laws encourage investing in the stock market.  JDPriestly   Mar-03-09 10:06 AM   #169 
  - I remember that in the 50s all savings accounts had 5% interest  eridani   Mar-02-09 09:52 PM   #137 
  - Exactly! The Federal Policy makes Saving Rates truly worthless  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:05 AM   #147 
  - In the 50's  bluescribbler   Mar-03-09 11:17 AM   #174 
  - I've been watching............  rucognizant   Mar-03-09 04:12 PM   #196 
  - I think we need to do away with 401K's and replace it with a bond program.  Ganja Ninja   Mar-02-09 01:58 PM   #5 
  - Actually, that's PRECISELY why 401Ks were created: to funnel more money upwards to Owner Class.  scarletwoman   Mar-02-09 06:48 PM   #79 
  - Umm, no  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 06:53 PM   #84 
  - The era of the 401(k)  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 06:57 PM   #87 
  - They dump them all at once right?  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:14 PM   #98 
  - No however  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:19 PM   #102 
  - easy answer..  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:26 PM   #109 
     - I spent 5 years in Financial Services  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:30 PM   #111 
        - There are many investments other than stock  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:32 PM   #113 
           - Nope it should never have happened  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:43 PM   #117 
           - No...no reason at all.  PassingFair   Mar-03-09 12:05 PM   #178 
  - Its analgous to peak oil  yodoobo   Mar-03-09 09:17 AM   #161 
  - Foreign investors will be happy to buy those shares.  Common Sense Party   Mar-02-09 10:38 PM   #141 
  - Oh please, explain this 'massive source of wealth' that Joe Sixpack  acmavm   Mar-03-09 05:57 AM   #144 
  - Thank you, AllentownJack, I have been pointing this out for years.  JDPriestly   Mar-03-09 12:17 PM   #180 
  - Yeah, it's the fault of those too uninformed to read "every financial rag".  scarletwoman   Mar-02-09 08:00 PM   #120 
     - I made a FREE call to the fidelity 800 number  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 08:12 PM   #124 
        - How "voluntary" is it when every "expert" and authority figure is telling you that *this* is how you  scarletwoman   Mar-02-09 08:49 PM   #131 
        - umm, we are surrounded by sell. I see ads here  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 08:54 PM   #134 
        - We did the same  SOS   Mar-03-09 03:17 PM   #193 
  - Thank you!  tnlefty   Mar-02-09 07:58 PM   #119 
  - I must add that they don't teach people about money at all  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:13 AM   #149 
  - They didn't just purposefully withhold financial information  JDPriestly   Mar-03-09 01:41 PM   #189 
  - I agree. And that is also why republiCONS wanted to "privatize" social security.  loudsue   Mar-03-09 10:20 AM   #171 
     - Hey, loudsue, great to see ya! Hard to believe that more people don't see it for what it is,  scarletwoman   Mar-03-09 06:28 PM   #199 
        - Good to see you, too, scarletwoman!  loudsue   Mar-03-09 08:48 PM   #200 
  - Then by all means don't invest in any.  TXRAT2   Mar-02-09 08:45 PM   #130 
  - Greed is inherent in all of biology, and it is biologically important.  crimsonblue   Mar-02-09 02:01 PM   #6 
  - I think it mght be biologically important to evolve out of it.  navarth   Mar-02-09 02:08 PM   #8 
  - The solution is to move to another planet.  crimsonblue   Mar-02-09 02:18 PM   #10 
     - Bookmarking this post for later review.  Duende azul   Mar-02-09 04:22 PM   #26 
     - The earth won't be able to sustain us for long unless we have drastic action  crimsonblue   Mar-02-09 04:24 PM   #27 
        - Spreading the toxic germ  salinen   Mar-02-09 04:49 PM   #31 
           - then why don't you just kill yourself then?  crimsonblue   Mar-02-09 04:54 PM   #33 
              - Thanks!  salinen   Mar-02-09 05:15 PM   #47 
                 - salinen, I don't know you but  navarth   Mar-02-09 07:36 PM   #115 
     - Well....  navarth   Mar-02-09 07:32 PM   #114 
     - A good plan, but if we continue to fuck up our current planet--  eridani   Mar-02-09 10:12 PM   #138 
  - nature is typically not dog-eat-dog  hfojvt   Mar-02-09 02:20 PM   #11 
  - The idea is that greed is a natural biproduct of natural selection  crimsonblue   Mar-02-09 02:23 PM   #12 
     - that idea is an error, created by the greedy to justify their own greed  hfojvt   Mar-02-09 03:25 PM   #13 
     - That won't prevent greed  salinen   Mar-02-09 04:51 PM   #32 
     - But a 'learned' behavior.  Fire1   Mar-02-09 05:31 PM   #54 
     - you've contradicted yourself  hiphopnation   Mar-02-09 05:26 PM   #50 
        - Greed is a method of control  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:23 AM   #151 
  - This is why the Public Library System failed  leftstreet   Mar-02-09 05:40 PM   #60 
  - Social Darwinism: not just for neocons anymore!  Runcible Spoon   Mar-02-09 06:29 PM   #73 
  - Tired old canard. Anger is also hard-wired. Let's legalize murder while we're at it.  readmoreoften   Mar-02-09 08:02 PM   #121 
  - Survival of the Fittest is now defunct.  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:19 AM   #150 
     - :thumbsdown:  formervolunteer   Mar-03-09 04:01 PM   #195 
  - Thanks. 30 years of working my ass off (altho, dammit I still have an ass) and saving via 401K and  DrZeeLit   Mar-02-09 02:02 PM   #7 
  - I feel for those with 401ks but the honest truth is the stock market is manipulated  Jennicut   Mar-02-09 03:56 PM   #17 
     - Manipulation, exactly...  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:07 PM   #40 
     - According to some on here, you're as guilty as the ..  skooooo   Mar-02-09 07:01 PM   #94 
     - Not guilty just pointing out that the market has been manipulated  Jennicut   Mar-02-09 08:36 PM   #128 
     - It's "worthless"? Or it's worth LESS than what it used to be?  Common Sense Party   Mar-02-09 10:40 PM   #142 
  - I think of the Dow as the countdown clock to the end of "American" capitalism  leftofthedial   Mar-02-09 02:10 PM   #9 
  - Well it's been ticking since 1896  dem mba   Mar-03-09 09:34 AM   #162 
     - capitalism is unsustainable in a world without free (or very cheap) and plentiful resources.  leftofthedial   Mar-03-09 12:27 PM   #181 
        - its not unsustainable  dem mba   Mar-03-09 01:23 PM   #185 
           - fewer and fewer people believe in the existence of the pea  leftofthedial   Mar-03-09 02:10 PM   #191 
  - Ahhh ha ha ha...good one...  serrano2008   Mar-02-09 03:52 PM   #14 
  - Easy for you to say.  jillan   Mar-02-09 03:55 PM   #16 
  - God forbid my husband and I try to retire.  Writer   Mar-02-09 03:56 PM   #18 
  - Nobody is saying you can't retire. How do you think other people  TBF   Mar-02-09 05:15 PM   #46 
     - But to associate that with greed is wrong-headed. n/t  Writer   Mar-02-09 06:31 PM   #74 
     - Or murder people for money, turn tricks  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 06:49 PM   #81 
        - "Normal people" are having a hard time right now. I know exactly  TBF   Mar-02-09 07:07 PM   #96 
        - We haven't been investing in companies for a LONG time.  PassingFair   Mar-03-09 12:08 PM   #179 
  - Incredibly stupid article.  deaniac21   Mar-02-09 04:00 PM   #19 
  - Good read...  newtothegame   Mar-02-09 04:08 PM   #20 
  - Tell that to my father & millions of other hard working Americans who are losing their retirements  debbierlus   Mar-02-09 04:11 PM   #21 
  - Greed will not die as long we are alive.  originalpckelly   Mar-02-09 04:12 PM   #22 
  - With that attitude it certainly won't. n/t  TBF   Mar-02-09 05:06 PM   #39 
     - Why do I have this image of a college kid with not a care in the world  GrizzlyMan   Mar-02-09 07:20 PM   #105 
        - Because you are trying to dismiss me. I am probably older than you  TBF   Mar-02-09 07:25 PM   #108 
  - seeing as our entire country is built on it- probably not.  dysfunctional press   Mar-02-09 04:12 PM   #23 
  - The sad thing, as long as money exists there will always be Greed.  sarcasmo   Mar-02-09 04:13 PM   #24 
  - Fuck the Dow and all those pension plans that depend on it  AZ Criminal JD   Mar-02-09 04:27 PM   #28 
  - All those pension plans...  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:09 PM   #44 
     - Where did you get that 401k and IRA?  AZ Criminal JD   Mar-02-09 05:19 PM   #48 
        - Bullshit  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:25 PM   #49 
           - The stock market was created before Reagan was born  AZ Criminal JD   Mar-02-09 05:31 PM   #55 
              - Try to follow along...  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:35 PM   #57 
                 - Where did you wail?  AZ Criminal JD   Mar-02-09 05:48 PM   #62 
                 - Hello Mr. Pot...  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 06:10 PM   #65 
                    - Now you are posting to yourself  AZ Criminal JD   Mar-02-09 06:21 PM   #67 
                       - You are hereby on my personal ignore list  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 06:25 PM   #71 
                          - Ignored by anonymous internet electrons  AZ Criminal JD   Mar-02-09 06:34 PM   #76 
                 - Actually..  sendero   Mar-02-09 06:25 PM   #72 
                    - Not all companies contribute  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 06:31 PM   #75 
  - In what society, ever, was there no greed?  AngryAmish   Mar-02-09 04:28 PM   #29 
  - In what society has there been no murder or xenophobia?  readmoreoften   Mar-02-09 08:05 PM   #122 
  - yep.  cliffordu   Mar-02-09 04:29 PM   #30 
  - Greed never dies. It just grows new tentacles.  Initech   Mar-02-09 04:59 PM   #34 
  - This Kubla Sounds Like One Heck Of A Moron.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-02-09 05:00 PM   #35 
  - Unfortunately, millions and millions of retirement accounts are invested in the stock market  brentspeak   Mar-02-09 05:02 PM   #36 
  - The DOW is helping send my child to college  dcindian   Mar-02-09 05:03 PM   #37 
  - Non-profits wouldn't have to exist if we move beyond capitalism. Time to evolve. n/t  TBF   Mar-02-09 05:11 PM   #45 
     - Move where. Point to a system right  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 06:51 PM   #82 
        - I didn't say move to another system. I said "evolve".  TBF   Mar-02-09 07:18 PM   #101 
        - Are we takling religion or economics  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:27 PM   #110 
        - First of all, abolish the federal reserve  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:32 AM   #152 
  - The DJII has nothing to do with our economy  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:05 PM   #38 
  - Do you know what 401K is? Or a pension fund? Do you know what funds them?  Mike 03   Mar-02-09 05:08 PM   #42 
  - What do you have in the way of training...  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:27 PM   #51 
     - An expert at a senate hearing the other day said the "average return" is only 2%  SoCalDem   Mar-02-09 05:30 PM   #53 
     - Exactly  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:39 PM   #59 
     - I might answer your question, but only if you tell me first why  Mike 03   Mar-02-09 06:56 PM   #86 
        - Your post was anything but polite...  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 07:05 PM   #95 
  - Fantastic article - thanks for posting. Interesting to read all the right-wing  TBF   Mar-02-09 05:09 PM   #43 
  - What is the left wing logic. Where do i put my money?  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 06:55 PM   #85 
     - As I said in another reply to you - we are coming at this from two  TBF   Mar-02-09 07:16 PM   #99 
     - No seriously. Where should I place money  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:19 PM   #103 
        - Why not? Is what we have worth saving? We can build something new. nt  TBF   Mar-02-09 07:20 PM   #104 
        - Yeah, it represents a trade for my time  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:30 PM   #112 
           - See this is what I'm talking about - you and I are on different ends of the spectrum.  TBF   Mar-02-09 08:09 PM   #123 
              - When AA gives away free tickets to placed my family is, Nikon free D3x's  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 08:16 PM   #126 
        - You get nothing. Your money very well may be worthless. But cheer up.  readmoreoften   Mar-02-09 08:13 PM   #125 
           - Sure, If I get the AK and get to make up the rules  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 08:20 PM   #127 
           - You rock. n/t  TBF   Mar-02-09 08:37 PM   #129 
     - The Mattress/Safe Deposit box has been an incredibly good place.  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:37 AM   #153 
  - ugh  hiphopnation   Mar-02-09 05:30 PM   #52 
  - The crash will not benefit you. Stop cheering it.  mmonk   Mar-02-09 05:32 PM   #56 
  - The market needs to hit it's support level  JuniperLea   Mar-02-09 05:36 PM   #58 
     - I know. I've been investing since 1979.  mmonk   Mar-02-09 06:10 PM   #64 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Mar-02-09 05:40 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-09 06:22 PM   #68 
  - I agree. Some of them are a little testy today because their investments  TBF   Mar-02-09 06:24 PM   #70 
     - Only freepers invest. I mean a real D  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 06:46 PM   #77 
     - Like I said, really testy. n/t  TBF   Mar-02-09 06:47 PM   #78 
     - you got fucking owned, kid.  paulk   Mar-03-09 02:31 PM   #192 
     - Our market for the past 30 years  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:01 PM   #92 
     - Cyclical is the term you want  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:17 PM   #100 
        - No, cyclical is not the term  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:21 PM   #106 
           - I assume you have a short position...  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:38 PM   #116 
              - I totally cashed out in 2006  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:48 PM   #118 
                 - I did it in 2000. Used the money to go to grad school. It always made  TBF   Mar-02-09 08:50 PM   #132 
                    - The Generation that lived through the depression passed on  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 10:15 PM   #139 
     - It's interesting how all these folks calling for financial equality are using computers....  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Mar-03-09 01:35 PM   #187 
     - One of the first steps on being found to be a fool is denial.  TahitiNut   Mar-02-09 06:48 PM   #80 
     - Yeah, I do feel for them though. It sucks that people feel like they have no  TBF   Mar-02-09 07:00 PM   #91 
     - I made enough money in 10 years  Pavulon   Mar-02-09 07:01 PM   #93 
     - If they fix the regulatory enviroment  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 07:24 PM   #107 
     - Not when a 7 million dollar fraud would net a 25,000 dollar fine  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:43 AM   #154 
     - Alot of people bought into the myth the stock market always goes up in the long run  AllentownJake   Mar-02-09 06:59 PM   #89 
  - Capitalism is only as good as its regulation  specimenfred1984   Mar-02-09 06:53 PM   #83 
  - Amen to putting the Bush Squad in shackles. N/T  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 06:45 AM   #155 
  - K&R  Kitty Herder   Mar-02-09 06:57 PM   #88 
  - Give me a motherf***ing break  Dreamer Tatum   Mar-02-09 07:14 PM   #97 
  - Thank you  Danmel   Mar-02-09 08:51 PM   #133 
  - Ending capitalism would be a great beginning.  GeorgeGist   Mar-02-09 09:02 PM   #135 
  - The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire!  BluePatriot21   Mar-02-09 10:32 PM   #140 
  - misguided rant imo  paulsby   Mar-02-09 11:19 PM   #143 
  - Just Boycot the market until meaningful regulations are implemented  Grinchie   Mar-03-09 05:58 AM   #145 
  - K&R  Hubert Flottz   Mar-03-09 06:00 AM   #146 
  - If the Dow drops much more, you won't have to worry about  freemarketer6   Mar-03-09 06:07 AM   #148 
  - What About Middle Class/Working Class Folks?  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-09 07:33 AM   #158 
  - What we are seeing is that free market and trickle down don't work so hot  TBF   Mar-03-09 09:06 AM   #160 
  - so firms should all be privately held?  dem mba   Mar-03-09 09:59 AM   #163 
  - "F*ck the Dow"  Hubert Flottz   Mar-03-09 10:03 AM   #165 
  - A PERFECT SYSTEM... A PERFECT STORM --> --> --> --> --> --> --> -->  happygoluckytoyou   Mar-03-09 10:05 AM   #167 
  - "...the heat we've been living in for decades."  Ron Green   Mar-03-09 10:26 AM   #172 
  - I was hoping to send my child to college and retire before I die.  kegler14   Mar-03-09 11:30 AM   #175 
  - I was hoping to send my child to college and retire RATHER than dying... dream big!  happygoluckytoyou   Mar-03-09 01:20 PM   #184 
  - interestingly enough all usury was against the law  zeemike   Mar-03-09 11:50 AM   #177 
  - Usury...used to be a dirty word.  Beavker   Mar-03-09 01:37 PM   #188 
  - Thank you for posting what I have been feeling for a long, long time.  OwnedByFerrets   Mar-03-09 01:10 PM   #182 
  - I hate the 2ndary Market  Beavker   Mar-03-09 01:35 PM   #186 
  - Greed die?  muryan   Mar-03-09 03:20 PM   #194 
  - A long long time ago when I was a very naive young man;  ooglymoogly   Mar-03-09 06:06 PM   #197 
  - Nope. Greed shot first.  Deja Q   Mar-03-09 06:09 PM   #198 
 

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