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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:32 AM
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4. K&R from an ex-Catholic
The Church has become a strange thing. So irrelevent, so tone deaf to the real problems people have.

Definitely not the same church I grew up in. Although possibly it always was this way and I am just opening my eyes to it now.
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  -A funeral for the Catholic church proud2Blib  Jan-31-09 01:20 AM   #0 
  - Beautifully said, if so sad. I understand completely.  sfexpat2000   Jan-31-09 01:26 AM   #1 
  - My childhood church is within walking distance of my house  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:46 AM   #14 
  - More concerned with their own self interests, then others.  Double T   Jan-31-09 01:27 AM   #2 
  - True, but how does working to end abortion satisfy anyone's self interests?  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:30 AM   #3 
     - Didn't the Pope say that all aborted "babies" go straight to heaven?  K8-EEE   Jan-31-09 01:34 AM   #6 
     - Abortion should be a personal matter, not a religious or state matter.  Double T   Jan-31-09 01:41 AM   #10 
  - K&R from an ex-Catholic  K8-EEE   Jan-31-09 01:32 AM   #4 
  - You can still find it at liberal Episcopalian churches  Warpy   Jan-31-09 01:34 AM   #5 
  - I liked hearing he had done away with Limbo  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:53 AM   #18 
  - Unlikely it was sanctioned by the Catholic Church.  onehandle   Jan-31-09 01:34 AM   #7 
  - You don't think the Catholic church in the US focuses enormous amounts of energy on abortion?  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:37 AM   #8 
     - I'm just saying that these cards weren't printed in Rome and air expressed to Missouri.  onehandle   Jan-31-09 01:39 AM   #9 
     - Based on a global Vatican thing, I assure you.  madeline_con   Jan-31-09 01:44 AM   #13 
     - And directed by Vatican policy  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:49 AM   #15 
     - Afraid not.  rug   Jan-31-09 04:54 PM   #94 
     - Americans of ALL faiths spend an inordinate amount of energy on the abortion issue.  Darth_Kitten   Jan-31-09 09:22 AM   #35 
     - Very true.  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 12:17 PM   #59 
     - Americans of ALL faiths spend an inordinate amount of energy on the abortion issue.  Darth_Kitten   Jan-31-09 09:22 AM   #36 
     - My parish doesn't focus any energy in that direction  quiller4   Jan-31-09 06:55 PM   #98 
        - Thank you for your efforts. Such actions are the heart of faith, imo. nt  Hekate   Feb-01-09 04:31 AM   #112 
  - Tax the churches who involve themselves in polititcs. n/t  madeline_con   Jan-31-09 01:41 AM   #11 
  - But they aren't breaking the law  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:50 AM   #16 
     - But many do.  madeline_con   Jan-31-09 02:17 AM   #20 
        - A church speaking out against abortion is not illegal  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 02:50 AM   #22 
           - A church trying to influence voting and legislation  Warpy   Jan-31-09 10:44 AM   #47 
              - We really need to lobby to reform the current law  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 11:00 AM   #48 
  - The problem is the Church used to do things -  NutmegYankee   Jan-31-09 01:42 AM   #12 
  - Now that you mention it  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 01:51 AM   #17 
  - I was thinking of the larger "Church" as well  NutmegYankee   Jan-31-09 01:57 AM   #19 
     - In Venezuela, some priests recruited Anglican and Lutheran ministers  sfexpat2000   Jan-31-09 02:20 PM   #80 
        - They will just be labeled as heretics, excommunicated, and then the  Cleita   Jan-31-09 04:11 PM   #86 
  - Well, Let's Face It  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 09:23 AM   #37 
  - Interesting  norepubsin08   Jan-31-09 02:40 AM   #21 
  - I recently graduated from 13 years of Catholic school  thatsrightimirish   Jan-31-09 03:13 AM   #23 
  - I like your slogan -- 'blue and green'  lostnfound   Jan-31-09 01:51 PM   #76 
     - I think the Canadian school system is more demanding than our and they  Cleita   Jan-31-09 04:14 PM   #87 
  - I clicked on this post preparing to be pissed off at another stock anti-Catholic rant  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-31-09 05:35 AM   #24 
  - You give me hope  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 09:14 AM   #33 
  - I respect your willingness to stay and fight  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 07:44 PM   #102 
  - Hey! Did I write this?  dddem   Jan-31-09 06:19 AM   #25 
  - When my kids were little we moved to a new parish and the first time I went to Mass  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 09:27 AM   #38 
  - My child's Catholic school does projects for immigrants, poor families,  lostnfound   Jan-31-09 07:07 AM   #26 
  - Careful, you are smashing the stereotype on what a Catholic really is.  Darth_Kitten   Jan-31-09 09:20 AM   #34 
  - So glad to hear that  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 09:29 AM   #39 
     - This was the school, not the church, and it was around 1973 or 1974.  lostnfound   Jan-31-09 01:44 PM   #73 
  - My child's Catholic school does projects for immigrants, poor families,  lostnfound   Jan-31-09 07:07 AM   #27 
  - Catholic  flpab   Jan-31-09 07:20 AM   #28 
     - Friend, I think that you are forgetting the 2nd Commandement:  hedgehog   Jan-31-09 12:05 PM   #53 
     - prayer and giving in secret  flpab   Jan-31-09 12:57 PM   #65 
        - Good! I'm afraid I get cranky when someone suggests that all that is needed  hedgehog   Jan-31-09 12:59 PM   #66 
     - you don't need to go to a church to do that  Skittles   Feb-01-09 04:39 AM   #114 
  - I was raised as a Catholic. Today I'd sooner piss on on my own foot than set it in a church  ThomWV   Jan-31-09 07:26 AM   #29 
  - I'm curious about how much play that "Missions" box gets nowadays  jakefrep   Jan-31-09 07:45 AM   #30 
  - The religions of Abraham have been steeped in anti-femaleness-Christianity, Islam, Judaism  terisan   Jan-31-09 09:05 AM   #31 
  - Please do not  polmaven   Jan-31-09 01:06 PM   #69 
     - Yes. Episcopal church had a rockier ride toward  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 07:47 PM   #103 
  - Do other religions get the flack that Catholicism always gets here?  Darth_Kitten   Jan-31-09 09:13 AM   #32 
  - Sorry you took my post as a slam  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 09:33 AM   #40 
  - It's actually hard for me to imagine  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 07:48 PM   #104 
  - Only those who have earned it to the extent that the Catholic Religion has  ThomWV   Jan-31-09 12:17 PM   #60 
  - Of course not. nt  DemBones DemBones   Jan-31-09 12:49 PM   #63 
  - Are you serious?  Goblinmonger   Jan-31-09 03:57 PM   #84 
  - Yes, all religions get flack here.  kwassa   Jan-31-09 07:30 PM   #100 
  - I'm very sensitive to anti-Catholicism on DU and I think proud's post is respectful  WildEyedLiberal   Feb-01-09 01:17 AM   #108 
  - A Song By Phil Ochs  The River   Jan-31-09 09:36 AM   #41 
  - I doubt if they're going to collect hundreds of cards every Sunday  nichomachus   Jan-31-09 09:54 AM   #42 
  - Catholic churches are closing because people have moved  DemBones DemBones   Jan-31-09 12:47 PM   #62 
  - Proud - that was a great story.  givemebackmycountry   Jan-31-09 10:21 AM   #43 
  - When my mom had a stroke and was in the hospital we called her parish  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 12:09 PM   #54 
  - I strongly disagree. The Catholic Church still engages in a lot of social justice causes. A lot.  Tommy_Carcetti   Jan-31-09 10:31 AM   #44 
  - My concern is the hyper focus on abortion and small focus on social justice  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 12:13 PM   #55 
     - You are assuming the Church has lost its way when you  DemBones DemBones   Jan-31-09 12:56 PM   #64 
     - So I actually have to step foot in a church to understand what it is focusing on?  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-09 01:03 PM   #68 
        - If you're not part of a parish, you can't know what's  DemBones DemBones   Jan-31-09 02:11 PM   #78 
           - The church has only encouraged its members to contact their reps about abortion ONE TIME?  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-09 06:40 PM   #96 
     - Well, seeing that you say you haven't been truly involved in years...  Tommy_Carcetti   Jan-31-09 04:40 PM   #90 
  - Might wanna find out if that violates tax exemption requirements  havocmom   Jan-31-09 10:35 AM   #45 
  - It doesn't  proud2Blib   Jan-31-09 12:16 PM   #58 
  - Dominique, nique, nique s'en allait tout simplement  bottomtheweaver   Jan-31-09 10:42 AM   #46 
  - The Church is alive....if not "well"  mapatriot   Jan-31-09 11:11 AM   #49 
  - do unto others...  keroro gunsou   Jan-31-09 11:27 AM   #50 
  - Since we lost many of those great nuns and priests  DemBones DemBones   Jan-31-09 01:09 PM   #71 
     - They left to get married. That would be a start, allow normal adult love int their lives.  bluedawg12   Feb-01-09 01:34 AM   #110 
  - You were at a building owned by the bishop of the local Roman Catholic diocese  hedgehog   Jan-31-09 11:56 AM   #51 
  - Ratzinger is moving the church even farther right.  anonymous171   Jan-31-09 12:01 PM   #52 
  - I'm an ex catholic...  firedupdem   Jan-31-09 12:14 PM   #56 
  - My dad used to marry couples like you and your hubby. He "caught" couples that  Ilsa   Jan-31-09 02:07 PM   #77 
  - Thank God for people like your Dad. I was actually headed to the  firedupdem   Jan-31-09 02:13 PM   #79 
  - I'll be sure to tell him and my older sister. She's never understood  Ilsa   Jan-31-09 02:29 PM   #81 
     - Aww....hug him for me! n/t  firedupdem   Feb-01-09 12:13 AM   #106 
  - My mother, not married in the Catholic Church, also got refused baptism for  Cleita   Jan-31-09 04:45 PM   #91 
     - Ugh!  firedupdem   Feb-01-09 12:14 AM   #107 
  - My sister  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 07:53 PM   #105 
  - We had those cards at church last Sunday too  WCIL   Jan-31-09 12:15 PM   #57 
  - This is against the separation of Church and State isn't it?  Cleita   Jan-31-09 04:48 PM   #92 
     - No.  Tommy_Carcetti   Jan-31-09 04:55 PM   #95 
  - The love of power, and it's penchant to wield a domineering hand  HCE SuiGeneris   Jan-31-09 12:25 PM   #61 
  - Please go back, get the post cards and send them to the IRS  merh   Jan-31-09 01:03 PM   #67 
  - Churches are allowed to promote issues  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-09 01:08 PM   #70 
     - Churches should give you moral guidelines for life and get out of campaigning  bluedawg12   Feb-01-09 01:40 AM   #111 
  - two words  leftchick   Jan-31-09 01:13 PM   #72 
  - Yep. And now Ratz has reestablished connections with the fascist wing of the church.  anonymous171   Jan-31-09 01:48 PM   #74 
  - What a neat story  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-09 01:50 PM   #75 
  - Report them  glinda   Jan-31-09 03:06 PM   #82 
  - I will never grieve for a church that does not give women equal rights.  gauguin57   Jan-31-09 03:51 PM   #83 
  - I think it was the nuns that promoted social justice. Now that  Cleita   Jan-31-09 04:10 PM   #85 
  - I think you are right.  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-09 06:43 PM   #97 
  - The men in charge is Rome excommunitcated Father Roy,  roody   Jan-31-09 04:15 PM   #88 
  - "I had been taught by example ..." You still are. We all still are ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-31-09 04:29 PM   #89 
  - I've quit going but am thinking anout mustering up the courage to  mmonk   Jan-31-09 04:53 PM   #93 
  - Crimes against humanity?  wuvuj   Jan-31-09 07:20 PM   #99 
  - I do understand. That social justice part of it all was ingrained in  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 07:42 PM   #101 
  - This was my far thee well song to IT.  bluedawg12   Feb-01-09 01:30 AM   #109 
  - any postcards condemning war?  Skittles   Feb-01-09 04:34 AM   #113 
  - Missouri Church has been taken over by Rome  lovuian   Feb-01-09 05:25 AM   #115 

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