nadinbrzezinski
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Sat Jan-03-09 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 54. that means abandoning the Empire, |
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will not happen any time soon regardless of party in charge
This has been foreign policy since 1898
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| -Why does anyone have to take sides in this conflict? |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:31 PM |
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The part we need to look at is the U.S. contribution - our hands are not clean. |
polichick |
Jan-03-09 03:33 PM |
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It's too bad we don't just detatch ourselves entirely and let them have their fight. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:34 PM |
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They're using weapons provided by us - just as Saddam did. It's sick. |
polichick |
Jan-03-09 03:36 PM |
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Right. And we should never get involved in their petty cultural/religious nonsense. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:37 PM |
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We only do because we want something. Green energy will save us... |
polichick |
Jan-03-09 03:39 PM |
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Agreed |
OCAtheist |
Jan-03-09 03:39 PM |
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And therein lies the problem and why the U.S. is treated with |
Fire1 |
Jan-03-09 10:39 PM |
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the only side I am on is the dead and dying. what their nationality |
roguevalley |
Jan-04-09 12:24 AM |
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You nailed that one. nt |
LWolf |
Jan-04-09 01:15 PM |
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Bingo. |
roamer65 |
Jan-03-09 03:33 PM |
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You bet. Take the money away and watch all fighting stop. |
Fire1 |
Jan-03-09 10:41 PM |
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Actually, like in so many other matters- those types don't actually represent the parties... |
Poll_Blind |
Jan-03-09 03:34 PM |
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Because all Palestinians and all Israelis are the same? |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:34 PM |
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Jan-03-09 03:35 PM |
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"Screw all of them" is pretty clear. |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:39 PM |
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Let them have their fight. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:41 PM |
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Maybe because the West has had its dirty fingers in that pie... |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:45 PM |
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Ah, so one ill-conceived policy justifies another. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:46 PM |
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The obligation to remedy damage you've caused is ill-conceived? |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:49 PM |
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Actually, you have it backwards. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:51 PM |
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There's a big difference between pursuing the same failed policy over and over.... |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:55 PM |
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How many American lives is it worth? |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:58 PM |
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Are American lives more precious than Palestinian or Israeli ones? |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 04:04 PM |
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So you're willing to risk American blood and treasure over this |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 04:09 PM |
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Oh, and funny you should mock the phrase |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:44 PM |
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I never said I support US involvement "on one side or the other." |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 04:02 PM |
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"ensure a just and stable peace is brought to the region" |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 04:06 PM |
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If you think keeping the Israelis and Palestinians at each other's throats... |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 04:37 PM |
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Does that involve black helicopters, and an ancient scroll? |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 08:22 PM |
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No, just a basic familiarity with the history of the region. |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 09:49 PM |
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Really. Screw all the dead children getting in the way of "modernity" |
kenzee13 |
Jan-04-09 10:01 AM |
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THANK YOU. No real 'good guys' in this one. Kinda like Georgia-Ossetia-Russia.nt |
MookieWilson |
Jan-03-09 03:35 PM |
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Nope, no good guys. Not even the innocent victims. |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:41 PM |
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That's their problem. Why is it ours? |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:41 PM |
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Because we were instrumental in starting it. |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:47 PM |
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You're making a great neocon-Bush argument |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:49 PM |
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I don't recall advocating any particular policy, so I'm not sure... |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 03:54 PM |
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Any further involvement in that region |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:57 PM |
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That's nice and convenient, isn't it? |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 04:09 PM |
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Yep. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 04:11 PM |
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Most atrocities have been justified in the name of pragmatism. |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 04:35 PM |
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About further involvement. |
Ani Yun Wiya |
Jan-04-09 03:14 AM |
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Jan-03-09 05:37 PM |
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It always troubles me how easily many are able to objectify... |
Kutjara |
Jan-03-09 05:49 PM |
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Poverty & deprivation drives conflict |
SoCalDem |
Jan-03-09 03:52 PM |
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There are no sides in this, as they are both wrong. |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-03-09 03:41 PM |
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"Screw all of them" isn't a position that people interested in social justice normally take. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-03-09 03:47 PM |
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OK. |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 03:50 PM |
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Alas, it is a traditional isolationist possition going back |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-03-09 03:54 PM |
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I agree and I support a more isolationist US foreign policy. |
roamer65 |
Jan-03-09 03:59 PM |
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What I've learned is that it's not so much a problem of trying to solve |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-03-09 04:01 PM |
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You are correct. |
roamer65 |
Jan-03-09 04:07 PM |
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that means abandoning the Empire, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-03-09 04:41 PM |
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nadin -- Studs Terkel's memorial at Cooper Hall was on CSPAN today |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-03-09 03:59 PM |
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I agree |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-03-09 04:06 PM |
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I think America has now outdone the British in enabling this violence |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-03-09 04:12 PM |
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The corporate empires partner the U.S. and Israel in regional control. |
balantz |
Jan-03-09 03:49 PM |
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It goes beyond religious squabling |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-03-09 03:52 PM |
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Agreed; there is remarkable continuity in the propaganda on both sides. |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-03-09 04:08 PM |
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Jan-03-09 04:18 PM |
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And religion is the patina...of current use |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-03-09 04:32 PM |
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Trade routes? |
MajorChode |
Jan-03-09 05:58 PM |
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Read again, the OTHER TRADE ROUTE, the one we are currently involved |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-04-09 09:28 PM |
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I think both sides suck |
DS1 |
Jan-03-09 04:10 PM |
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i'm pro Palestinian, they got Robbed.. but there's fault all around, if th terror element of Hamas |
sam sarrha |
Jan-03-09 04:16 PM |
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Hamas = Red Cross? |
MajorChode |
Jan-03-09 06:19 PM |
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you are chery picking.. i simply illustrated a situation.. bad situation, but they do have an infras... |
sam sarrha |
Jan-03-09 09:30 PM |
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You are too easily disappointed |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 07:13 AM |
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look dick weed... i made a comparison to gangs taking over essential infrastructure...you twisted it |
sam sarrha |
Jan-04-09 09:28 AM |
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How rich of you. |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 02:45 PM |
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How can you not take sides when watching the mindless killing of innocent people? |
MartyL |
Jan-03-09 04:37 PM |
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Jan-03-09 05:13 PM |
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I think you're putting aside the fact that those Palestinians elected |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-03-09 07:18 PM |
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kinda like we 'elected' Bush? |
MartyL |
Jan-03-09 07:32 PM |
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Well, I'd dispute that we actually did elect him |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-03-09 08:04 PM |
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I don't think we elected Bush either |
MartyL |
Jan-04-09 12:17 AM |
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By the same token.... |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 08:23 PM |
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I'm not advocating involvement in anything |
MartyL |
Jan-04-09 12:16 AM |
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I'm on the side of the people killed and maimed by "leaders" who always have rationales for killing. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-03-09 05:02 PM |
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exactly! |
MartyL |
Jan-03-09 05:12 PM |
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Ditto. |
TahitiNut |
Jan-03-09 06:08 PM |
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And what are you doing about it? |
dem629 |
Jan-03-09 08:24 PM |
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Jan-03-09 05:46 PM |
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Umm... |
BuyingThyme |
Jan-03-09 06:12 PM |
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A pox on both their houses. |
alarimer |
Jan-03-09 06:18 PM |
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I mostly agree |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-03-09 07:16 PM |
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It's not about religion. It's about LAND n/t |
Charlie16 |
Jan-03-09 08:53 PM |
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Yes |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-04-09 06:56 AM |
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Only morons... |
sendero |
Jan-03-09 08:26 PM |
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the Genesis of a problem has absolutely nothing to do with its Resolution. till they figure that out |
sam sarrha |
Jan-03-09 09:38 PM |
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people take sides because they want to avoid an "Over View" that could resolve the situation |
sam sarrha |
Jan-03-09 09:33 PM |
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I agree, though I would add the media never gives the Palestinian side |
treestar |
Jan-03-09 10:25 PM |
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I agree |
Skittles |
Jan-03-09 10:35 PM |
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Bingo, No one is special here. |
Pavulon |
Jan-03-09 10:36 PM |
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holy shit I'm shocked this hasn't gotten shoved down into the I/P dungeon |
FarceOfNature |
Jan-03-09 11:20 PM |
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Me neither. It seems to stifle honest discussion of a very important topic that may bring about WW3 |
IsItJustMe |
Jan-04-09 09:47 AM |
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It is not about religion and it is not supported by the people |
MartyL |
Jan-04-09 12:21 AM |
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I would like it if we could sit back and watch. Unfortunately, America is already involved. |
anonymous171 |
Jan-04-09 12:29 AM |
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Jan-04-09 12:36 AM |
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Western ideals... |
Chulanowa |
Jan-04-09 04:54 AM |
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I could care less about 'progressive thought'. |
Eryemil |
Jan-04-09 06:00 AM |
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Within the context of the question asked, yes, you did |
Chulanowa |
Jan-04-09 11:56 AM |
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It isn't the religion itself. It's the cultural differences that people are really referring to. |
Gwendolyn |
Jan-04-09 12:08 PM |
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It's not, really |
Chulanowa |
Jan-04-09 12:35 PM |
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Yes, it's the legal differences, and the fact that it's condoned by larger society. |
Gwendolyn |
Jan-04-09 01:31 PM |
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I'm on the side of not slaughtering innocent human beings. |
Hissyspit |
Jan-04-09 12:39 AM |
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For what it's worth, I blame the British |
Chulanowa |
Jan-04-09 04:46 AM |
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this is not ancient this is modern day apartheid, and i choose to support the oppressed |
StudsT |
Jan-04-09 04:55 AM |
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Assigning blame does no good and is not the way to peaceful resolution. |
sparosnare |
Jan-04-09 10:00 AM |
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People take sides when they read the history. There is no equivalency here. This is not |
Malikshah |
Jan-04-09 10:02 AM |
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Because being reasonable is hard. |
yibbehobba |
Jan-04-09 11:58 AM |
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I agree with you. |
Marr |
Jan-04-09 12:02 PM |
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Money. American foreign policy is based on killing for money. |
mmonk |
Jan-04-09 01:13 PM |
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There is no easy solution, but I completely agree side-taking makes peace-brokering impossible. nt |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-04-09 02:51 PM |
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