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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:38 AM
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17. are you aware of his background?
kidnapped by militants and detained by the US freedom fighters. I would be pissed off too.
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  -I'm probably alone in this, but I find the shoe-throwing neither amusing nor laudable dbaker41  Dec-15-08 11:33 AM   #0 
  - I don't care about Bush. I'm just sad this incident will take up so much news time  AndrewP   Dec-15-08 11:34 AM   #1 
  - BREAKING: IRAQI TV claims shoe-throwing reporter being tortured at US-run prison.  StudsT   Dec-15-08 06:38 PM   #179 
  - Instead of the 24/7 assault on the upcoming Obama administration?  Warren Stupidity   Dec-15-08 06:49 PM   #181 
     - Yeah, like that isn't going to happen anyway cupcake.  AndrewP   Dec-15-08 10:24 PM   #183 
  - We've already had about five similar posts... all were locked  hlthe2b   Dec-15-08 11:34 AM   #2 
  - It's common act of insult in that culture.  Lex   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   #3 
  - Yeah. It's not clear whether the "attacker" intended injury at all...  Orsino   Dec-15-08 12:05 PM   #43 
  - One culture's INsult is another culture's ASsault  slackmaster   Dec-16-08 10:10 AM   #200 
  - Let me know when the Chinese bomb us and then come to visit...  Bush in Berkeley   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   # 
  - Where is the Green Zone in the United States? I can't find my Chinese Green Zone  Ichingcarpenter   Dec-15-08 11:50 AM   #30 
  - The Japanese bombed us  bamalib   Dec-15-08 06:28 PM   #176 
  - Violence is never the answer. I hope this "journalist" is punished!  thewiseguy   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   #4 
  - "As his screams were heard as he was drug out of the press room..."  BushDespiser12   Dec-15-08 11:38 AM   #16 
     - What did he THINK was going to happen?  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 12:32 PM   #68 
  - Agreed  Taverner   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   #5 
  - He is a hero.  wtmusic   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   #6 
  - Oh good grief - how many Iraqis are dead or maimed because of this guy???  polichick   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   #7 
  - But, but SHOES! SHOES against the PRESIDENT!  baby_mouse   Dec-15-08 11:22 PM   #192 
  - Because of Bush that reporter had been tortured and nearly beaten to death...  rateyes   Dec-15-08 11:35 AM   #8 
  - you're right. you are alone.  maxsolomon   Dec-15-08 11:36 AM   #9 
  - No, he's not.  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-15-08 11:56 AM   #39 
  - IMO you have an absurd and misplaced respect for aristocracy.  wtmusic   Dec-15-08 12:10 PM   #49 
  - Count me in...I think it was a stupid and juvenile thing to do.  DonEBrook   Dec-15-08 12:26 PM   #59 
  - I don't think you get it. It's a cultural thing for Arabs to throw their shoes as a way of showing  IsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 01:03 PM   #85 
     - I think Arabs are juvenile because of their culture.  DonEBrook   Dec-15-08 05:35 PM   #161 
  - Wrong.  Xap   Dec-15-08 01:23 PM   #94 
  - Not nec the Sunnis. He never found out who kidnapped him.  uppityperson   Dec-15-08 01:42 PM   #104 
  - I typed Sunni by mistake. I had read somewhere that it was Shiite militias.  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-15-08 03:27 PM   # 
     - The shoe was thrown at the man, not the position. That is my opinion.  uppityperson   Dec-15-08 03:40 PM   #134 
  - Bush shouldn't be president.  Enthusiast   Dec-15-08 02:28 PM   #117 
  - no world leader who starts wars of choice  northernlights   Dec-15-08 05:47 PM   #166 
  - No, he is not. Last year I posted my disagreement with Chavez offending Bush  question everything   Dec-15-08 11:22 PM   #193 
     - "We replace our leaders with democratic elections"  Career Prole   Dec-16-08 05:39 AM   #198 
  - No justice, no peace.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-15-08 11:36 AM   #10 
  - There was no justice under Saddam Hussein in Iraq..  MellowDem   Dec-15-08 04:05 PM   #140 
  - Maybe we're just astounded that a -gasp!- journalist exhibited a  babylonsister   Dec-15-08 11:36 AM   #11 
  - Yes.  otherlander   Dec-15-08 11:50 AM   #28 
  - I think he went a little beyond "customs."  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 12:36 PM   #72 
     - Trust me, most of us understood him loud and clear.  babylonsister   Dec-15-08 01:04 PM   #86 
     - maybe * should have saved his customs  northernlights   Dec-15-08 05:54 PM   #169 
  - I agree more or less  el_bryanto   Dec-15-08 11:36 AM   #12 
  - And what would you suggest an Iraqi do to oppose the Bush Administration?  sinkingfeeling   Dec-15-08 11:52 AM   #33 
     - Wait a month? n/t  el_bryanto   Dec-15-08 05:49 PM   #167 
  - Yeah, I'm not too happy with it either  TlalocW   Dec-15-08 11:37 AM   #13 
  - LOL it wasn't for lack of trying nt  wtmusic   Dec-15-08 11:38 AM   #15 
     - If Bush wanted to gain an ounce of respect  wtmusic   Dec-15-08 11:40 AM   #21 
  - When the Chinese have occupied this country for over 5 years, I'm sure I'd be ready to throw more  sinkingfeeling   Dec-15-08 11:37 AM   #14 
  - are you aware of his background?  leftchick   Dec-15-08 11:38 AM   #17 
  - Considering the hand-job our media has given the asshole for eight years, anything a journalist  T Wolf   Dec-15-08 11:38 AM   #18 
  - And, I'm reading this reporter is  zidzi   Dec-15-08 10:45 PM   #186 
  - Invade and occupy America and you would be lucky if it is shoes I am throwing  NNN0LHI   Dec-15-08 11:39 AM   #19 
  - If only simple analogies worked  MellowDem   Dec-15-08 04:07 PM   #143 
     - Do you really think the Iraqis appreciate us removing Saddam?  NNN0LHI   Dec-15-08 04:24 PM   #153 
        - I'm not sure  MellowDem   Dec-15-08 04:36 PM   #156 
           - Good well thought out answer  NNN0LHI   Dec-15-08 04:45 PM   #159 
  - Well, I'm not going to pretend to be self-righteous.  Connie_Corleone   Dec-15-08 11:40 AM   #20 
  - Just out of curiosity, do you have some reason to suspect the OP is pretending?  jobycom   Dec-15-08 11:47 AM   # 
     - I never mentioned nor implied anything regarding the OP.  Connie_Corleone   Dec-15-08 12:23 PM   #57 
  - Violence is never the answer? Never? Ever?  GodlessBiker   Dec-15-08 11:41 AM   #22 
  - probably not, I am a chicken shit  reggie the dog   Dec-15-08 03:50 PM   #136 
  - Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.  sparosnare   Dec-15-08 11:41 AM   #23 
  - As with every story, context makes the villain a hero or a hero the villain.  last1standing   Dec-15-08 11:45 AM   #24 
  - i'm an american  barbtries   Dec-15-08 12:17 PM   #54 
  - You see the story in a different context.  last1standing   Dec-15-08 12:32 PM   #67 
  - I am American and I am not insulted  reggie the dog   Dec-15-08 04:03 PM   #139 
  - I'm not so sure how Iraqis view Bush  MellowDem   Dec-15-08 04:14 PM   #148 
  - Did you feel that way about the Sons of Liberty and that whole tea-party thing?  jobycom   Dec-15-08 11:46 AM   #25 
  - Well said !!!  Sequoia   Dec-15-08 06:31 PM   #178 
  - Blow it out your ass! n/t  asteroid2003QQ47   Dec-15-08 11:47 AM   #26 
  - after being tortured under Bu$h's occupation  GTRMAN   Dec-15-08 11:47 AM   #27 
  - Well, we will wait and see if your opinion changes if your country is occupied for six years  Robbien   Dec-15-08 11:50 AM   #29 
  - The guy was clearly angry and emotional and I don't find it funny either.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 11:51 AM   #31 
  - I love every aspect of it and can not understand anyone who doesn't.  Peregrine Took   Dec-15-08 11:51 AM   #32 
  - Yet I seriously doubt that you would ever try something like that here.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 11:53 AM   #37 
  - I might..expecially if I'd already  stillcool47   Dec-15-08 11:57 AM   #40 
  - that's the thing 99.9% of DUers who laud this guy would not have the guts to actually do  WI_DEM   Dec-15-08 01:55 PM   #109 
     - No they wouldn't...  stillcool47   Dec-15-08 02:22 PM   #115 
     - I will say it loud  reggie the dog   Dec-15-08 04:05 PM   #141 
        - Me too...  stillcool47   Dec-15-08 04:26 PM   #155 
     - Oh that's the thing?  Warren Stupidity   Dec-15-08 10:49 PM   #188 
        - I went back through my OP .... I never said diddly about being "respectful"  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 10:05 AM   #199 
  - The shoe doesn't have the cultural significance here  treestar   Dec-15-08 12:10 PM   #50 
  - And you might get shot by Secret Service for throwing something.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 12:13 PM   #53 
     - Have you seen the video? He didn't "lob" the shoes.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 02:58 PM   #121 
        - Oh I did. He was trying to hit Bush for sure.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 03:35 PM   #133 
  - Americans have been throwing things at Bush since his inauguration.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-15-08 12:28 PM   #62 
     - It's not just about Bush.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 01:00 PM   #83 
        - So, reporters at press conferences will have to appear nude from now on?  Laelth   Dec-15-08 02:15 PM   #114 
           - Okay, try throwing a shoe at a dignitary with a bunch of Secret Service around here in the US.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 03:21 PM   #129 
              - I'd get mauled ... just like the reporter in question.  Laelth   Dec-15-08 03:55 PM   #137 
              - Having been at several recent political events, including as a delegate to the DNC  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 04:14 PM   #147 
              - You point out that  reggie the dog   Dec-15-08 04:07 PM   #142 
                 - I don't know if they are or not. I've only observed them in the U.S.  thecatburgler   Dec-15-08 04:23 PM   #152 
  - "Enjoy" and "amusing" aren't quite right. It actually is very sad that this was deemed  wiggs   Dec-15-08 11:53 PM   #194 
  - No ones words written for an article gets played on an international loop.  tekisui   Dec-15-08 11:52 AM   #34 
  - I have to agree  Johonny   Dec-15-08 01:15 PM   #90 
  - Can't wait for Letterman and Leno's take on it.  cat_girl25   Dec-15-08 11:52 AM   #35 
  - Booorrrrinnnnng.  RadiationTherapy   Dec-15-08 11:52 AM   #36 
  - I have no problem...  stillcool47   Dec-15-08 11:54 AM   #38 
  - I think that the whole scene was probably planned in advance.  yardwork   Dec-15-08 12:00 PM   #41 
  - Better shoes than the marshmallows thrown by American "jouranalists".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-15-08 12:01 PM   #42 
  - Freedom of the press is great - I would have liked to see it exercised instead of an assault  dmordue   Dec-15-08 12:05 PM   #44 
  - No questions or comments were allowed by the Press  Ichingcarpenter   Dec-15-08 12:07 PM   #46 
  - I have mixed feelings - I picture a similar situation with Obama as a target  dmordue   Dec-15-08 12:10 PM   #51 
     - Well, that will be "different." Somehow.  DonEBrook   Dec-15-08 12:27 PM   #61 
  - Bush doesn't read critical op-eds. Everyone except Bush knows  Ilsa   Dec-15-08 12:33 PM   #69 
  - This is the most idiotic post I've ever read on DU.  arcadian   Dec-15-08 12:05 PM   #45 
  - You know nothing about me. Nothing at all.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 12:41 PM   #75 
  - But this, on the other hand, was hilarious.  tjwash   Dec-15-08 12:08 PM   #47 
  - President?  irislake   Dec-15-08 12:09 PM   #48 
  - I have to confess to finding it sort of amusing.  BurtWorm   Dec-15-08 12:13 PM   #52 
  - Bush is NOT a legally elected president.  ananda   Dec-15-08 12:19 PM   #55 
  - yah  stuntcat   Dec-15-08 01:30 PM   #99 
  - "Bush is still the President" This line means nothing.  Malikshah   Dec-15-08 12:19 PM   #56 
  - I agree...you're probably alone in your opinion, or pretty close to it.  Raksha   Dec-15-08 12:24 PM   #58 
  - Once again, bake, you're pretty much alone.  Laelth   Dec-15-08 12:27 PM   #60 
  - Not alone, but thankfully rare. n/t  greyhound1966   Dec-15-08 12:30 PM   #63 
  - Oh, lighten up.  Ilsa   Dec-15-08 12:30 PM   #64 
  - I doubt it was planned.  mzmolly   Dec-15-08 12:30 PM   #65 
  - I'm with the Rude Pundit on this one  RoseMead   Dec-15-08 12:32 PM   #66 
  - You are no alone.  snake in the grass   Dec-15-08 12:34 PM   #70 
  - I'm not amused but sort of for a different reason...  newtothegame   Dec-15-08 12:36 PM   #71 
  - you are not alone in being distressed @ where our presidency has gone.  uppityperson   Dec-15-08 01:45 PM   #105 
  - no way my hatred of * is "unreal"  northernlights   Dec-15-08 06:03 PM   #175 
  - "Violence is never the answer." Too bad bu$h doesn't think that.  Blue State Native   Dec-15-08 12:38 PM   #73 
  - off with his head  noiretblu   Dec-15-08 12:39 PM   #74 
  - About what I was thinking. The guy has more courage in one pimple on his ass than our entire  IsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 01:18 PM   #91 
  - dear half-baked,  northernlights   Dec-15-08 12:41 PM   #76 
  - Under those circumstances I'd be surprised if there weren't a much "stronger" reaction  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 01:10 PM   #88 
     - But he didn't, did he?  Blue State Native   Dec-15-08 05:39 PM   #163 
     - moot point  northernlights   Dec-15-08 05:40 PM   #164 
  - Well violence may not be the answer, BUT... violence begets violence.  Dangerously Amused   Dec-15-08 12:46 PM   #77 
  - Thanks for a reasonable response!  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 10:10 AM   #201 
  - Would writing something scathing have had the same effect?  Chulanowa   Dec-15-08 12:47 PM   #78 
  - Start a war that kills and maims, and you should expect at least shoes.  Gregorian   Dec-15-08 12:49 PM   #79 
  - You hope THAT guy is punished? You fucking hope the journalist  acmavm   Dec-15-08 12:50 PM   #80 
  - I'm not sure a lot of people separate the office from the man  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 01:35 PM   #102 
  - I'm almost a pacifist and believe in non-violence. But let me ask you the following question:  struggle4progress   Dec-15-08 12:53 PM   #81 
  - I am sure he was punished. He probably has no feet by now.  IsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 12:56 PM   #82 
  - You are not alone.  emilyg   Dec-15-08 01:01 PM   #84 
  - he was punished . . . MSNBC said that reporters could hear him being beaten  bigtree   Dec-15-08 01:05 PM   #87 
  - His family is proud of him and his brother said to an interviewer  sfexpat2000   Dec-15-08 01:33 PM   #100 
     - I'm proud of him  bigtree   Dec-15-08 01:50 PM   #106 
        - Yes, he did. He found a way to do it. I suspect the Iraqi government  sfexpat2000   Dec-15-08 01:59 PM   #111 
  - I'm sure the shock-and-awe cluster bombs on Iraqis hurt more than a shoe.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-15-08 01:11 PM   #89 
  - Yeh, who would get mad at a war criminal?  specimenfred1984   Dec-15-08 01:21 PM   #92 
  - Your right....it should have been something meatier and with more substance. Like an Acme Anvil (tm)  Evoman   Dec-15-08 01:22 PM   #93 
  - Ah -- the Nancy Pelosi school of disapproval  nichomachus   Dec-15-08 01:24 PM   #95 
  - By your logic, journalism is useless.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 01:39 PM   #103 
  - Not amusing or laudable  Elderon   Dec-15-08 01:24 PM   #96 
  - I didn't know he was President of Iraq  malaise   Dec-15-08 01:25 PM   #97 
  - I totally disagree, and put the man who threw the shoes in the same category as this man:  BrklynLiberal   Dec-15-08 01:26 PM   #98 
  - that man had courage to stand up to tanks but didn't use any weapons on them either.  WI_DEM   Dec-15-08 01:53 PM   #108 
     - It Wasn't A Shoe Bomb  otohara   Dec-16-08 10:17 AM   #207 
  - But that act of defiance could be the tipping point for the Iraqi people.  alfredo   Dec-15-08 01:33 PM   #101 
  - This has got to be the most ridiculous post I've seen on DU in awhile-it belongs at freeperville.  TheGoldenRule   Dec-15-08 01:53 PM   #107 
  - Screw you. I've been here a lot longer than you have.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 03:04 PM   #123 
  - President of what? Surely you do not mean the United States!  lonestarnot   Dec-15-08 01:55 PM   #110 
  - "President of what?"  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-15-08 02:12 PM   #113 
  - Oh I'm sorry, which of the two should be punished?  Qibing Zero   Dec-15-08 02:10 PM   #112 
  - It is shocking that this is the worst that has been done to him in 8 years  eowyn_of_rohan   Dec-15-08 02:26 PM   #116 
  - Yes,  awnobles   Dec-15-08 02:29 PM   #118 
  - Bush earned much worse than shoes... and he should be thanking his lucky stars it wasn't  StudsT   Dec-15-08 02:32 PM   #119 
  - Have you heard about the war in Iraq? Have you heard about the torture?  ZombieHorde   Dec-15-08 02:38 PM   #120 
  - Alone? No, 21% is a lot of people. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-15-08 02:59 PM   #122 
  - Nope, I'm not one of the 21 Percenters.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 03:10 PM   #125 
     - I only implied that the 21 percenters' opinion on this matter might match yours  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-15-08 03:41 PM   #135 
     - There are a few of us, from what I've seen today.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 04:19 PM   #149 
     - 'different'? nope.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-15-08 06:53 PM   #182 
     - "but hey, if the shoe fits."  sheeptramp   Dec-16-08 11:32 AM   #214 
     - Then why are you here?  Pithlet   Dec-15-08 04:25 PM   #154 
     - Of course I understand it!  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 04:40 PM   #158 
        - You're not making much sense.  Pithlet   Dec-15-08 05:02 PM   #160 
        - Did you post this in GD because GD/P is that way?  uppityperson   Dec-15-08 05:50 PM   #168 
        - It's hard to tell them apart these days.  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 10:13 AM   #204 
        - I admire you for wanting to stick around these days. n/t  djohnson   Dec-15-08 11:16 PM   #190 
     - if your post was deleted you would have a point...  StudsT   Dec-15-08 05:54 PM   #170 
  - You expect people to just put up with the invasion and rape  Downtown Hound   Dec-15-08 03:04 PM   #124 
  - Sorry you're taking so many rockets on this, Bake. I hear what you're saying...  KrazyKat   Dec-15-08 03:11 PM   #126 
  - What do you say to the families of all of our children who have died?  DainBramaged   Dec-15-08 03:14 PM   #127 
  - Then press the NEW President to have Bush prosecuted.  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 03:57 PM   #138 
     - In a civilized world bushie would never have invaded Iraq..  Fumesucker   Dec-16-08 05:39 AM   #197 
        - I see. Fuck civilization. Every person for himself/herself.  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 10:16 AM   #205 
  - As committed to peace and to words as I am, words have never defeated fascism.  leftofthedial   Dec-15-08 03:15 PM   #128 
  - It is being reported that this reporter had the living shit beat out of him and a large trail of  IsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 03:27 PM   #130 
  - "Violence"? Awwww, he ALMOST got a BOO BOO.  Waiting For Everyman   Dec-15-08 03:30 PM   #131 
  - You only push people so far before they fight back.  sfexpat2000   Dec-15-08 03:31 PM   #132 
  - I respectfully disagree...  ljm2002   Dec-15-08 04:08 PM   #144 
  - Yes, it's just you and a few other misguided souls.  TexasObserver   Dec-15-08 04:08 PM   #145 
  - I "agree" with you. Writing something scathing would have been more "effective"  Sugar Smack   Dec-15-08 04:13 PM   #146 
  - I agree  MellowDem   Dec-15-08 04:19 PM   #150 
  - Ah well, the world disagrees  malaise   Dec-15-08 04:21 PM   #151 
  - Bush should consider himself lucky that it wasn't a bullet, considering  Cleita   Dec-15-08 04:36 PM   #157 
  - How would you feel about a pie? Better? n/t  whutgives   Dec-15-08 05:36 PM   #162 
  - Would it be wrong...  Mugweed   Dec-15-08 05:43 PM   #165 
  - Let me know when the guy who ordered the deaths of your neighbors and family members...  BlooInBloo   Dec-15-08 05:55 PM   #171 
  - it's sad, ironic and indicative of the disastrous and foolish choices this admin  tigereye   Dec-15-08 05:56 PM   #172 
  - I think your missing the cultural aspect of this  FreeState   Dec-15-08 05:56 PM   #173 
  - I find it amusing and laudable.  Iggo   Dec-15-08 05:59 PM   #174 
  - It's not amusing....  mrbarber   Dec-15-08 06:29 PM   #177 
  - What is insulting is the nine people so far who rec'd this post.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-15-08 06:47 PM   #180 
  - I beg to differ. This man is a paragon Iraqi intelligence and  deaniac21   Dec-15-08 10:29 PM   #184 
  - I also found the dude who throw eggs at Bush's limo during his 2001 inauguration to be amusing  PerfectSage   Dec-15-08 10:37 PM   #185 
  - I found that incident amusing also.  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 10:18 AM   #208 
  - If Bill Clinton was hit by a shoe, freepers would laugh.  anonymous171   Dec-15-08 10:46 PM   #187 
  - Ummm ... let me think for a second ... BECAUSE WE'RE BETTER THAN THEY ARE!!  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 10:21 AM   #209 
  - I agree, it's not very productive is it.  djohnson   Dec-15-08 11:15 PM   #189 
  - Yes, it was so "reprehensible" wasn't it? He should have had "respect" for Bush's "office".  baby_mouse   Dec-15-08 11:18 PM   #191 
  - Well, He IS being punished, apparently.  baby_mouse   Dec-16-08 12:51 AM   #195 
  - How many of his family members have been killed or injured?  lostnfound   Dec-16-08 05:24 AM   #196 
  - I know quite a few Iraqis who are willing to overlook the bad aspects of our invasion  slackmaster   Dec-16-08 10:13 AM   #203 
     - Oh thank goodness  pipi_k   Dec-16-08 10:30 AM   #212 
  - I agree with dbaker41  slackmaster   Dec-16-08 10:11 AM   #202 
  - I'd agree if anyone was hurt or the symbolism of the act wasn't so strong.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-16-08 10:16 AM   #206 
  - Beg to differ...  pipi_k   Dec-16-08 10:25 AM   #210 
  - The Shoe heard round the world!  sheeptramp   Dec-16-08 10:29 AM   #211 
  - George Bush is responsible for millions of people being killed  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-16-08 10:37 AM   #213 
 

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