Reply #157: all the terms of usage in your complaint are too vague

[RainDog]

you move from asking people at the gym to have respect for the ladies to talk about using fuck as every other word. you generalize about culture and, therefore, you get a generalized answer.

you assume women are treated badly, it seems, if they hear the word "fuck." From your op, at least, this is my understanding of your initial concern. You insult women who choose to use the word "fuck" and claim this makes them somehow of less worth than women who do not use that word, for instance.

Yes, this "concern" and put-down is offensive to many of us and you deserve to hear it if you choose to use terms like "woman" and "lady" as they have been used in the past, politically.

you move from focusing on men v. women to now asking women to be the moral vanguards (another rise of the middle class into Victorian era cliche, btw) to change men's treatment toward one another.

You assume men treat me in one way or another without any proof of this treatment. Men that I am friends with treat me well. I curse more than they do, but generally only when I'm angry about something. I curse more online than in real life. I save my best profanity for the bedroom.

I despise songs that talk about "hos." So I don't listen to them. I don't buy songs that have this language in them. I don't pay to see anyone who uses such terms. I do pay for music that I like. That's how such terms become useful or money-losing commodities in our modern culture for those that use them.

have you ever watched "Mad Men?" You can watch it at the AMC channel site online for free (at least the first season and the first ep of season 2. That show is a useful tool to see how a culture that claims to respect women debases them all the same, even if they do not use specific words to do so. The artifice, however, is very pretty.