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Sat May-03-08 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #32 |
| 63. That's one interpretation, hardly the final truth. |
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Nothing I've read from first hand sources says what Howard Zinn implies.
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| -Obliterate -never-before-published photographs Hiroshima- Graphic warning. |
Ichingcarpenter |
May-02-08 04:39 PM |
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Too bad images like that weren't available for our leaders BEFORE they made the decision |
slackmaster |
May-02-08 04:40 PM |
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May Hillary have the guts, no the balls, to look at these images every day before deciding to |
indepat |
May-02-08 05:17 PM |
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As long as that nation |
MonkeyFunk |
May-03-08 07:59 AM |
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Doesn't Israel have some 400 nuclear warheads? |
wuushew |
May-05-08 02:03 PM |
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They had pictures of equal carnage elsewhere |
hack89 |
May-03-08 04:33 PM |
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Wow....n/t |
Lady-Damai |
May-02-08 04:42 PM |
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k&r. Tragic. |
uppityperson |
May-02-08 04:43 PM |
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Were Heroshima & Nagasaki MIlitary Targets? |
Disturbed |
May-02-08 04:46 PM |
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Didn't all the people just incinerate into dust? |
uppityperson |
May-02-08 04:49 PM |
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Many did but thousand jumped into water to escape the flames ... |
Botany |
May-02-08 04:54 PM |
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I know. I was asking sarcastically, since I have heard this from people. |
uppityperson |
May-02-08 05:01 PM |
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Only people who were pretty close to the mushroom cloud were killed instantly |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-02-08 05:43 PM |
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I know. I read Hiroshima as a middle schooler, and it has affected me for life. |
uppityperson |
May-02-08 11:12 PM |
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Me too. |
emmadoggy |
May-03-08 04:23 PM |
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Read Hersey's book in high school 1947. One of the best |
lumpy |
May-03-08 04:30 PM |
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It was one of the first books I got out when I was allowed into the adult sections |
uppityperson |
May-03-08 04:39 PM |
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read it in middle school too |
caraher |
May-04-08 12:59 AM |
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At Ground Zero, people did incinerate and become ash |
truedelphi |
May-02-08 05:46 PM |
#30 |
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Another oddity about the Hiroshima blast |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-03-08 12:39 AM |
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OH Lydia, it might be a wonderful thing for you to recount all your |
truedelphi |
May-03-08 03:32 PM |
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Hiroshima was deliberately left unbombed before August 1945 |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-02-08 05:37 PM |
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Actually, Nagasaki also was cloudy |
Angleae |
May-03-08 03:24 AM |
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They were industrial centers |
krispos42 |
May-04-08 12:10 AM |
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And bush wants a new generation of nuclear weapons. |
alfredo |
May-02-08 04:44 PM |
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Doc film on Hiroshima/Nagasaki/current state of nukes, Original Child Bomb |
Echo In Light |
May-04-08 07:04 AM |
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I've lived my life under the threat of total annihilation from the bomb. |
alfredo |
May-04-08 08:27 AM |
#110 |
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obliteration is more than just a puffing |
Supersedeas |
May-05-08 03:33 PM |
#127 |
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This is why all humanity should work toward peace. |
Uncle Joe |
May-02-08 04:47 PM |
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Sen Clinton said that she would Obliterate Iran if Iran |
Disturbed |
May-02-08 04:54 PM |
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I already knew that and it didn't take 30 seconds |
Uncle Joe |
May-02-08 05:02 PM |
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Awful images but the bomb saved millions ..... |
Botany |
May-02-08 04:52 PM |
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I know several people whose fathers were on deck to invade Japan |
slackmaster |
May-02-08 05:19 PM |
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I had a neighbor in the 1980's .... he was a P.O.W. in Japan |
Botany |
May-02-08 05:30 PM |
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Not neccessarily so. |
MadHound |
May-03-08 05:41 AM |
#39 |
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That is completely not true. I don't have the book in front of me, but here we go: |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:49 AM |
#59 |
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Geesh I love YouTube |
Rosemary2205 |
May-04-08 11:10 AM |
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Yes, |
verges |
May-03-08 11:24 AM |
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That was propaganda to justify the act - it's been largely debunked. |
bean fidhleir |
May-03-08 07:01 AM |
#41 |
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That's a theory some historians support. Others no. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:50 AM |
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Oh sure, TRUMAN thought so, or said he did, but that doesn't mean |
bean fidhleir |
May-03-08 11:30 AM |
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Yet Zynx is correct. It's merely a theory at this point. |
LanternWaste |
May-05-08 03:49 PM |
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Agree, Truman would not have done that |
OzarkDem |
May-03-08 11:32 AM |
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My grandfather, too |
OzarkDem |
May-03-08 11:30 AM |
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That's how my dad feels about it |
ginbarn |
May-05-08 03:03 PM |
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That's horrible and so was the "Rape of Nanking", the Japanese slaughtered over 200,000 civilians.nt |
jody |
May-02-08 04:53 PM |
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What's one got to do with the other? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-02-08 04:54 PM |
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Both deal with the horrors of war. Truman used atomic bombs because intelligence showed Japan was |
jody |
May-02-08 04:59 PM |
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Intelligence showed Japan was defeated, and ready to surrender. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-02-08 05:01 PM |
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You and I are not going to agree on this issue so we end up disagreeing. Have a nice evening. n/t |
jody |
May-02-08 05:03 PM |
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You should probably check your facts rather than "agreeing to disagree". This is a factual issue, |
bean fidhleir |
May-03-08 07:16 AM |
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Perhaps it is you who should check your facts. Apparently you rely upon sanitized, revisionist |
jody |
May-03-08 07:32 AM |
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Your father was a soldier. Look at those corpses in that picture. I see the bodies of children. |
AP |
May-03-08 07:43 AM |
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Why ignore the question, was Truman right in using the atomic bomb given the information he had? |
jody |
May-03-08 07:57 AM |
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Talk about ignoring the question! |
AP |
May-03-08 10:31 AM |
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Your question has no relevance to Truman's decision to use the atomic bomb. n/t |
jody |
May-03-08 10:36 AM |
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¿Truman shouldn't have been considering deaths of over 100,000 innocent civilians, many of whom |
AP |
May-03-08 10:40 AM |
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Yes! Truman's job as commander in chief was to end the war as quickly as possible with minimum |
jody |
May-03-08 10:51 AM |
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Emperors sure don't care about people! |
AP |
May-03-08 10:41 PM |
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Sorry but that's the way wars are conducted, only the head of a nation may surrender. That's why |
jody |
May-04-08 10:06 AM |
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There were children killed by the Japanese in every territory they invaded |
truedelphi |
May-03-08 01:56 PM |
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Who do you punish? Other children? Or their government? |
AP |
May-03-08 10:41 PM |
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How do you punish a government? |
krispos42 |
May-04-08 12:26 AM |
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I consider myself a pacifist on account of the fact that |
truedelphi |
May-04-08 08:10 PM |
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Who do you punish? Other children? Or their government? |
AP |
May-03-08 10:41 PM |
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That's an ad hominem. |
girl gone mad |
May-04-08 12:47 AM |
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No more "ad hominem" than those pictures... |
AP |
May-04-08 01:13 AM |
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No, no it did not. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:52 AM |
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The point is this: The Japanese had nothing preventing them from surrendering |
truedelphi |
May-03-08 03:26 PM |
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The real question is who had what intelligence. I'm not sure if |
hedgehog |
May-03-08 03:36 PM |
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Eight months earlier, intelligence showed the precise same thing concerning Germany |
LanternWaste |
May-05-08 03:55 PM |
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Both are examples of Total War |
slackmaster |
May-02-08 05:19 PM |
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And those who died instantly were the lucky ones |
MindPilot |
May-02-08 04:54 PM |
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I don't know and why has it taken 63 years ? |
Ichingcarpenter |
May-02-08 04:59 PM |
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I need to go throw up now... |
housewolf |
May-02-08 04:58 PM |
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These photos, like the signature photos of Nam and the graphic images |
nosmokes |
May-02-08 05:05 PM |
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It will have to compete with propaganda crap like Rambo; whose weapon |
Uncle Joe |
May-02-08 05:42 PM |
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While some of our actions were not, our involvement in WWII was a net positive. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 11:04 AM |
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Why just Americans? |
OzarkDem |
May-03-08 11:34 AM |
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We were good , the Japanese and Germans were evil ! |
UndertheOcean |
May-02-08 05:21 PM |
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Actually, I have a hard time not saying that. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 11:06 AM |
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The Nazi's were evil |
hack89 |
May-03-08 04:39 PM |
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Harry Truman knew what he was doing. |
Preston120 |
May-02-08 06:38 PM |
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Horseshit. |
Truth2Tell |
May-02-08 10:58 PM |
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One day we'll see the real pictures |
malaise |
May-03-08 07:04 AM |
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yea, a country that did not do anything to us. |
alyce douglas |
May-05-08 01:59 PM |
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That's one interpretation, hardly the final truth. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:53 AM |
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"Forced to invade" |
tsdraegeth |
May-03-08 12:45 AM |
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Truman's decision was made very soberly. If you read "Truman" by David McCullough |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:56 AM |
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"Revisionist history" re Truman is offensive |
OzarkDem |
May-03-08 11:39 AM |
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No, the invasion estimate was 250K US lives, and Truman knew that |
bean fidhleir |
May-03-08 07:14 AM |
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2 million could well have been a total casualty estimate. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:55 AM |
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It's easy to second guess Truman |
OmahaBlueDog |
May-03-08 11:15 AM |
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For an account of the aftermath I highly recommend Masuji Ibuse's novel "Black Rain"... |
Hekate |
May-03-08 01:30 AM |
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But this was OK....right? |
edwardsguy |
May-03-08 04:06 AM |
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Who said that? |
JNelson6563 |
May-03-08 06:55 AM |
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Japan would have attacked civilians if they had the chance just as they killed 20 million in China. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 11:02 AM |
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and yet my point remains standing |
JNelson6563 |
May-03-08 11:17 AM |
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It was a despicable attack, but only 2400 died, almost all military. Compare that with |
bean fidhleir |
May-03-08 07:23 AM |
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Japan killed 20 million people in China. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 11:00 AM |
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Got a cite for that claim? The worst I can find is 300K victims at Nanjing |
bean fidhleir |
May-03-08 11:40 AM |
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You're woefully uninformed |
rockymountaindem |
May-03-08 04:24 PM |
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I suspect racism is the reason those aren't pictures of a German city and German corpses |
AP |
May-03-08 07:39 AM |
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No shortage of those either |
rockymountaindem |
May-03-08 07:48 AM |
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You know what's sick about that... |
AP |
May-03-08 10:35 AM |
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I'd like to see those studies you're talking about |
rockymountaindem |
May-03-08 04:21 PM |
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That is so much BULLSHIT. |
Zynx |
May-03-08 10:57 AM |
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Shame because it sickens me to see those pictures and I wonder how the minds work of the people |
AP |
May-03-08 10:46 PM |
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War is hell. |
Squatch |
May-03-08 07:48 AM |
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Yes war is hell |
Retired AF Dem |
May-03-08 09:17 AM |
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Those civilians, those children, were victims. Please don't confuse Gvt with People. |
uppityperson |
May-03-08 04:44 PM |
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And most always unnecessary. |
Owl |
May-03-08 03:40 PM |
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omg. |
Bonobo |
May-03-08 09:15 AM |
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Send it to Hillary. Title it "Obliterated." n/t |
Xap |
May-03-08 11:01 AM |
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Agreed. |
Fox Mulder |
May-03-08 03:36 PM |
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Even if you accept that this definitely saved millions of lives, |
slowry |
May-03-08 04:36 PM |
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Bombing civilian targets on purpose simply cannot be justified. |
dbmk |
May-03-08 05:15 PM |
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Kick. n/t |
Cerridwen |
May-03-08 08:37 PM |
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Historically speaking, the decision to drop the bombs were |
rasputin1952 |
May-03-08 10:52 PM |
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Well written. Looks like you and I have read the same books & perhaps grew up in the same times. n/t |
jody |
May-04-08 10:55 AM |
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Thanks...as a history loving person, I love to get as many |
rasputin1952 |
May-04-08 11:23 AM |
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Strategically and tactically...but not morally correct. |
LeftHander |
May-05-08 02:58 PM |
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The indiscriminate killing of civilians including women and |
rasputin1952 |
May-05-08 05:01 PM |
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IKE was ready, willing and able to do that to the Soviet Union. |
Octafish |
May-03-08 11:44 PM |
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We visited Hiroshima last year |
spinbaby |
May-04-08 06:33 AM |
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Sorry... Unjustifiable |
fascisthunter |
May-04-08 11:17 AM |
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Were you alive at the time? All things w/the decision have |
rasputin1952 |
May-04-08 11:31 AM |
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Sorry... I'm Not Convinced |
fascisthunter |
May-05-08 03:51 PM |
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It is not the only scenario during those times when there was |
rasputin1952 |
May-05-08 04:43 PM |
#132 |
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You are Trying to Justify a Horrific Act |
fascisthunter |
May-05-08 04:50 PM |
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In the times, it was justifiable... |
rasputin1952 |
May-05-08 04:53 PM |
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No... It's Your Opinion |
fascisthunter |
May-05-08 04:57 PM |
#136 |
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Were you alive at the time? All things w/the decision have |
rasputin1952 |
May-04-08 11:31 AM |
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We can't say that the war would of been worse.... |
LeftHander |
May-05-08 02:52 PM |
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Unless you were alive in 1945 and a potential casualty if the U.S. invaded Japan, then you have no |
jody |
May-04-08 05:35 PM |
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The US had the war won; Japan couldn't have "forced" it to invade |
Shatov |
May-05-08 01:51 PM |
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Sorry but Japan was given a chance to surrender but it refused. I've read the quotes you cite plus |
jody |
May-06-08 07:59 AM |
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If My Opinion was so Easily Dismissed |
fascisthunter |
May-05-08 03:49 PM |
#129 |
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Sorry but we are talking about using atomic bombs to end a war that had already cost millions of |
jody |
May-06-08 07:51 AM |
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unpublished? |
iamthebandfanman |
May-04-08 11:32 AM |
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I think this is that thread. It's been going for days. |
uppityperson |
May-05-08 04:45 PM |
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