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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:57 PM
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40. Pampango, i am fairly sure where you are coming from, i just want to know Dainbramaged's POV
because i think his opinion comes from the perspective of hysteria and hype, as opposed to fact and letter of agreement.

The point that has been put forward over and over by the anti-Mexican-Trucker-gets-to-drive-his-truck-in-the-USA side boils down to essentially this;
1) They will take American jobs
2) they drive unsafe trucks (and therefore are a hazard on the road and will kill my kids/mom/loved ones
3) They are uninsured so when they do have an accident, no one will be able to collect for damages
4) Their drivers are untrained and/or teenagers behind the wheel of 40 ton behemoths rocketing down main street, USA

(exaggerations aside, those are basically the points expressed on DU on this subject over the last few months.)

My POV is that all of the above is basically nonsense, has no basis in fact and completely ignores the details in the agreement that was carefully and painstakingly hashed out over the last 20 years.

So again i put the question to Dainbramaged:

Where do you get the idea that all the Mexican trucks will be uninsured, uninspected, unregulated and allowed to "roam freely"?
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  -Congress removes funds to support the * plan to allow Mexican truck drivers across our borders DainBramaged  Dec-20-07 11:56 PM   #0 
  - Great news! This goes beyond road safety, I believe it's a huge  Faux pas   Dec-21-07 02:33 AM   #1 
  - Absolutely  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 05:35 AM   #3 
  - Great news! About time this congress does something right!  B Calm   Dec-21-07 03:14 AM   #2 
  - Congress does the right thing--and within three posts we have someone bashing Congress. Not good.  Perry Logan   Dec-21-07 05:47 AM   #4 
  - Well, before we break out the champagne...  Orsino   Dec-22-07 08:00 AM   #60 
  - While Europe celebrates tearing down borders, we celebrate building them up.  pampango   Dec-21-07 06:27 AM   #5 
  - OK, so you want uninspected, unregulated and uninsured trucks pounding the highways  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 06:38 AM   #6 
  - No and I expect that the French do not want uninspected, unregulated, and uninsured  pampango   Dec-21-07 07:04 AM   #7 
  - Don't assume anything with me.  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 12:14 PM   #11 
  - Agreed. I don't make assumptions about you and you don't jump to conclusions about me.  pampango   Dec-21-07 01:05 PM   #13 
     - If you love the European systems so much...............  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 01:23 PM   #14 
     - Love it or leave it, huh? n/t  pampango   Dec-21-07 01:25 PM   #15 
        - You brought it up so go help the workers assimilate  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 05:25 PM   #26 
           - Thanks for the offer, but I think the Europeans can handle it without much  pampango   Dec-21-07 05:37 PM   #30 
     - Of course not, you're too busy making assumptions  Tejas   Dec-21-07 02:09 PM   #18 
     - I am not European trucking expert, but I would bet that the trucks  pampango   Dec-21-07 02:25 PM   #22 
     - Western Europeans are afraid of losing jobs to E. Europeans  rockymountaindem   Dec-21-07 09:25 PM   #52 
  - Why do you think you can hijack this thread for your own agenda  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 05:31 PM   #28 
  - Sometimes we can learn from how others deal with problems similar  pampango   Dec-21-07 06:05 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-21-07 06:29 PM   #35 
  - Where do you get the idea that the Mexican trucks that are (will/would) participate in this program  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-21-07 02:21 PM   #21 
     - The idea may come from the fact that the US is bigger and stronger  pampango   Dec-21-07 04:24 PM   #23 
        - Pampango, i am fairly sure where you are coming from, i just want to know Dainbramaged's POV  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-21-07 07:57 PM   #40 
  - Bogus argument: Europe still has borders. Egyptians or Chinese, e.g., cannot "move freely" in EU.  Romulox   Dec-22-07 11:37 AM   #77 
  - I am glad to hear this  senseandsensibility   Dec-21-07 07:08 AM   #8 
  - good for them...  rndmprsn   Dec-21-07 07:18 AM   #9 
  - I read that there was a college student of Korean ancestry who killed 30 people  pampango   Dec-21-07 09:04 AM   #10 
     - Not in my thread, this is about unsafe trucks  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 12:22 PM   #12 
     - your total disregard for public safety  Tejas   Dec-21-07 02:01 PM   #16 
        - My son could be on of the next 30, God forbid, but that does not  pampango   Dec-21-07 02:18 PM   #20 
  - So, should we now expect Mexico to ban US trucks?  High Plains   Dec-21-07 02:09 PM   #17 
  - nope. n/t  Tejas   Dec-21-07 02:11 PM   #19 
  - You really have it wrong. And we don't cruise the highways in Mexico  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 05:26 PM   #27 
  - Excellent news.  spoony   Dec-21-07 04:30 PM   #24 
  - Now anyone with a differing opinion is an "anti-union propagandist"?  pampango   Dec-21-07 05:33 PM   #29 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-21-07 05:41 PM   #31 
        - I try to state my opinion not call anyone names or put a label on them.  pampango   Dec-21-07 06:24 PM   #34 
        - Pampango is a DLC cheap-labor advocate of sending American jobs overseas  brentspeak   Dec-21-07 06:33 PM   #36 
           - Let him hire the illegals I want jobs for Amercans not cheap ass investors  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 07:11 PM   #38 
           - I realize that you have me on "ignore" but I do have to give you credit  pampango   Dec-21-07 08:02 PM   #42 
           - Why do people whom you don't agree with have to be labelled  pampango   Dec-21-07 08:00 PM   #41 
           - Loves the Outsourcing of US Jobs.....  ChromeFoundry   Dec-21-07 08:22 PM   #45 
           - I didn't see a "brown people" reference in the thread. Did you? n/t  pampango   Dec-21-07 08:49 PM   #48 
              - Didn't Bother Looking.....Already Know What to Expect From You  ChromeFoundry   Dec-22-07 08:01 AM   #61 
           - Agreed. n/t  OhioChick   Dec-21-07 08:37 PM   #46 
  - I just forwarded this message to all my 18 wheeler peers, and many  B Calm   Dec-21-07 04:48 PM   #25 
  - I work in an industry that supplies the trucking business, and  bullwinkle428   Dec-21-07 05:54 PM   #32 
  - Good news, for once  brentspeak   Dec-21-07 06:34 PM   #37 
  - Glad to Hear.  OhioChick   Dec-21-07 07:53 PM   #39 
  - As an obviously proud Union man, are you as upset about Canadian Truckers?  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-21-07 08:06 PM   #43 
  - As long as there were Teamsters behind the wheel  DainBramaged   Dec-21-07 08:21 PM   #44 
  - So the overwhelming majority of the trucks that come across from Canada every day  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-21-07 08:43 PM   #47 
  - Why don't Canadian truckers have cabotage regulations? You  B Calm   Dec-21-07 11:50 PM   #54 
     - Actually, no. Cabotage for them would be a BAD thing.  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-22-07 07:39 AM   #59 
        - No way would it cost American jobs! That doesn't make sense.  B Calm   Dec-22-07 08:34 AM   #63 
           - Please try and understand what "Cabotage" means.  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-22-07 09:05 AM   #69 
  - One other thing...  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-21-07 08:49 PM   #49 
     - You are simply anti-Union disguised as a "member" here  DainBramaged   Dec-22-07 12:36 AM   #55 
  - International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents Canadian haulers n/t  Nailzberg   Dec-22-07 12:44 AM   #56 
     - How many of the Canadian Haulers that come across the border each day are Teamsters?  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-22-07 07:10 AM   #57 
        - Local drivers or over the road drivers?  B Calm   Dec-22-07 08:39 AM   #66 
        - Either  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-22-07 08:59 AM   #68 
        - Well now you for one should know at least all of the Allied ones are. And as far as taking  Snotcicles   Dec-22-07 09:20 AM   #70 
        - Yes, of course, many Car-Haul companies are Teamsters..  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-22-07 09:48 AM   #71 
           - Things are ok up here but wages are dropping like a hot potato.  Snotcicles   Dec-22-07 10:00 AM   #73 
        - I have no idea, and I don't care.  Nailzberg   Dec-22-07 02:27 PM   #79 
  - I see the same couple of fake free trade and outsourcing supporters are here as usual.  Elwood P Dowd   Dec-21-07 09:13 PM   #50 
  - Just for the hell of it...  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-21-07 09:23 PM   #51 
  - The Canadian truckers make a living fucking wage!!!  Elwood P Dowd   Dec-21-07 09:30 PM   #53 
  - Blah blah blah  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-22-07 07:29 AM   #58 
     - Where are US jobs outsourced to?  Kajsa   Dec-22-07 10:25 AM   #74 
        - My guess is to which ever offers the lower cost. It won't  Snotcicles   Dec-22-07 11:17 AM   #76 
           - I completely agree with you, Snotcicles.  Kajsa   Dec-22-07 03:40 PM   #80 
  - Well I for one am more concerned about area standards like wage and benefit  Snotcicles   Dec-22-07 10:36 AM   #75 
  - Why does the Democratic UNDERGROUND attract so many *neo-liberal* posters???  Romulox   Dec-22-07 11:53 AM   #78 
     - Excellent question, Romulex!  Kajsa   Dec-22-07 03:43 PM   #81 
     - Why do you hate brown people? n/t  QC   Dec-22-07 03:47 PM   #82 
  - Safety is an issue but I think  doc03   Dec-22-07 08:01 AM   #62 
  - Whatever, it is a viable issue.  lonestarnot   Dec-22-07 08:36 AM   #65 
  - Its not just truckers  vpilot   Dec-22-07 08:42 AM   #67 
     - I agree, but the Repugs will  doc03   Dec-22-07 09:50 AM   #72 
  - Union! YES!  lonestarnot   Dec-22-07 08:36 AM   #64 

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