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48. Actually, the great physicist, Niels Bohr, proposed just that
and Einstein agreed with him. In 1944, Bohr met with Roosevelt and Churchill to discuss open sharing of nuclear technology. It was his belief, as well as several of his colleagues that this technology would eventually be known by many nations, as well as some renegade states and that it's control would best be dealt with internationally - not just by one or two superpowers.

Bohr was waaaaay ahead of his time. Needless to say, the America is God crowd and the Cold Warriors won out.

Here' a good essay about it - (scroll down to Nuclear Policing the World by Nina Byers

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  -Question for lurking freepers, "gun nuts" and regular DUers alike; re; Iran's Nukes Atman  Oct-16-07 04:11 PM   #0 
  - Doesn't every home in Iraq have an AK-47?  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 04:15 PM   #1 
  - But,..but...They're MUSLIMS !!!!!!!!!!!  MNDemNY   Oct-16-07 04:15 PM   #2 
  - Interesting connection  Zodiak Ironfist   Oct-16-07 04:15 PM   #3 
  - Ah - but you see, we're on the top of the heap in terms of armaments.  Rabrrrrrr   Oct-16-07 04:16 PM   #4 
  - I think that is a great big Straw Man  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 04:17 PM   #5 
  - It is a common wingnut argument. It was a popular NRA theme after the VTECH shooting. NT  MADem   Oct-16-07 04:20 PM   #9 
  - Then surely you can cite at least one instance of someone in the NRA saying EVERYONE should be armed  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:02 PM   #19 
     - Why should I "bring it on?" That's not the argument being made.  MADem   Oct-16-07 05:13 PM   #25 
     - Go back and read the OP because you obviously didn't read it right the first time  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:15 PM   #26 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-07 05:53 PM   #37 
     - A fellow named John Lott wrote a book.........  PaDem   Oct-16-07 08:53 PM   #59 
     - The catchy title is not the whole content of that book  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 08:01 AM   #69 
        - So should his supporters.  blondeatlast   Oct-17-07 05:39 PM   #104 
           - Yes, you are "just sayin'"  slackmaster   Oct-18-07 08:19 AM   #109 
     - Are you seriously suggesting the NRA has not said guns keep America safe?  Toots   Oct-17-07 08:29 AM   #73 
        - I am not aware of the NRA ever arguing for arming everyone - Got a cite?  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 09:24 AM   #81 
        - .  benEzra   Oct-17-07 12:17 PM   #95 
        - "Assault weapon" = small-caliber non-automatic rifle with a protruding handgrip or modern styling...  benEzra   Oct-17-07 12:20 PM   #96 
  - really?  unpossibles   Oct-16-07 04:26 PM   #10 
  - If you heard it a lot then you shouldn't have much problem finding a link to support it  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:03 PM   #20 
     - You seem to be doing just fine.  Atman   Oct-16-07 05:17 PM   #28 
     - Appeals to scorn and ridicule are a logical fallacies  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:19 PM   #29 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 05:20 PM   #30 
           - You have just intentionally misrepresented what I said AND indulged in a personal attack  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:21 PM   #31 
              - No, I did not.  Atman   Oct-16-07 05:23 PM   #32 
                 - You're spinning madly because you are unable to support what you wrote  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:23 PM   #33 
     - ok, not technically calling for "arming everyone"  unpossibles   Oct-17-07 08:56 AM   #78 
        - Some people have speculated that the killer MIGHT have been stopped  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 09:26 AM   #82 
  - You're kidding, right?  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 04:27 PM   #11 
  - Yes, in fact I have read the book and it's obvious you haven't  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:04 PM   #21 
     - The book doesn't suggest that Armed citizens stop crimes?  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 05:45 PM   #36 
        - The book does not call for arming everyone  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 06:46 PM   #39 
           - Arming more folks doesn't drop crime?  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 06:48 PM   #40 
              - Please read the book rather than trying to extrapolate the title into the whole message  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 06:49 PM   #41 
                 - It doesn't even suggest this?  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 06:50 PM   #42 
                    - You would be well served to read the book  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 06:53 PM   #43 
                       - Who's arguing points?  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 07:02 PM   #44 
                          - What's the question again?  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 07:03 PM   #45 
                             - Fair enough.  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 07:10 PM   #47 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-07 04:47 PM   #16 
  - google " if everyone had guns" seriously. I just did...  Viva_La_Revolution   Oct-16-07 08:01 PM   #53 
  - Appeal to Google Hit Count Fallacy  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 08:25 AM   #72 
     - There was plenty on the first page to support the poster's argument  Viva_La_Revolution   Oct-17-07 08:10 PM   #105 
        - I just tried it and you are completely wrong  slackmaster   Oct-18-07 08:18 AM   #108 
  - I think you have not been paying attention.  Warren Stupidity   Oct-16-07 10:12 PM   #61 
  - Does not support the premise stated in the OP  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 08:24 AM   #71 
  - I've heard that said many times  BushOut06   Oct-17-07 10:53 AM   #86 
     - No, Slacky says no one has ever said it.  Atman   Oct-17-07 10:57 AM   #87 
     - He asked you to give ONE instance of someone saying that EVERYONE should be armed. You failed.  piedmont   Oct-17-07 01:37 PM   #98 
     - And Let's Not Forget: "An Armed Society Is A Polite Society"  Paladin   Oct-17-07 08:25 PM   #107 
  - Isn't that EXACTLY what supposedly kept the Cold War "cold"?  dicksteele   Oct-16-07 04:18 PM   #6 
  - There are some folks, even some I see here, that if they had a gun, they'd fucking shoot anyone  MADem   Oct-16-07 04:19 PM   #7 
  - No, see, only INDIVIDUALS should have nuclear weapons.  impeachdubya   Oct-16-07 04:20 PM   #8 
  - I think you're missing the point  unpossibles   Oct-16-07 04:27 PM   #12 
  - Nice try atman.  BellaB   Oct-16-07 04:33 PM   #13 
  - You are capable of discerning a difference in an "arm"?  lynyrd_skynyrd   Oct-16-07 04:36 PM   #14 
  - excuse me!?!  BellaB   Oct-16-07 04:46 PM   #15 
     - You made a point that had little to do with the original post.  Atman   Oct-16-07 04:55 PM   #18 
     - I'm glad you agree  lynyrd_skynyrd   Oct-16-07 05:25 PM   #35 
     - Hello Sweetie.......  Megahurtz   Oct-16-07 07:57 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 04:52 PM   #17 
  - when you are dead, will you care that it was a handgun or a nuke?  Viva_La_Revolution   Oct-16-07 08:09 PM   #54 
  - Uh...freedom isn't free! Why do you hate America? - n/t  porphyrian   Oct-16-07 05:05 PM   #22 
  - nobody wants crazy people to have guns, i.e., V Tech...  India3   Oct-16-07 05:13 PM   #23 
  - India3 gets it  slackmaster   Oct-16-07 05:16 PM   #27 
  - Now that you mention it,  gatorboy   Oct-16-07 06:01 PM   #38 
  - Think harder...  Viva_La_Revolution   Oct-16-07 08:14 PM   #56 
     - I'm talking about religious insanity.  India3   Oct-17-07 09:45 AM   #83 
        - sorry, I took your words literally  Viva_La_Revolution   Oct-17-07 08:14 PM   #106 
  - It is called the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction.  The Stranger   Oct-16-07 05:13 PM   #24 
  - The difference is fairly obvious.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-16-07 05:24 PM   #34 
  - Sort of like, "A nuclear armed planet is a polite planet", right? I love it! Great point!  scarletwoman   Oct-16-07 07:10 PM   #46 
  - when was the last time nuclear armed state went to war against another nuclear armed state?  SergeyDovlatov   Oct-17-07 12:42 AM   #64 
  - when was the last time nuclear armed state went to war against another nuclear armed state?  SergeyDovlatov   Oct-17-07 12:42 AM   #65 
  - Actually, the great physicist, Niels Bohr, proposed just that  Venus Dog   Oct-16-07 07:19 PM   #48 
  - Shhhhhh. Stop thinking logically. Here's some TV.  Blashyrkh   Oct-16-07 07:25 PM   #49 
  - I'm an agnostic on whether or not Iran  Mike03   Oct-16-07 07:31 PM   #50 
  - Interesting viewpoint, Mike  mvccd1000   Oct-17-07 03:13 AM   #66 
  - Well, if you decide to get one and need advice...  krispos42   Oct-17-07 11:31 AM   #92 
  - Well I Do Certainly Believe That  Megahurtz   Oct-16-07 07:43 PM   #51 
  - "Arming everyone" is not really about arming everyone.  ManiacJoe   Oct-16-07 08:09 PM   #55 
  - Oh, the irony!  Atman   Oct-16-07 08:30 PM   #57 
  - so the magic question then is  unpossibles   Oct-16-07 08:50 PM   #58 
     - Ultimately those who have the power decide who is the "good guy"  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 08:07 AM   #70 
        - true  unpossibles   Oct-17-07 08:32 AM   #74 
        - Unfortunately, because of our irresponsiblity and desire for unfettered power  YankmeCrankme   Oct-17-07 11:09 AM   #90 
           - I agree with you  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 11:56 AM   #93 
  - The U.S. is just pissed at every nation that wont go along with...  superkia   Oct-16-07 09:22 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 10:38 PM   #62 
  - Actually this has been argued academically...  whoneedstickets   Oct-16-07 10:42 PM   #63 
  - Not even the NRA would argue that mentally challenged people should have guns.  mvccd1000   Oct-17-07 03:19 AM   #67 
  - I don't believe any nutjob should have access to guns or nuclear weapons...  cynatnite   Oct-17-07 03:20 AM   #68 
  - Every nation SHOULD have nuclear weapons.  MLFerrell   Oct-17-07 08:39 AM   #75 
  - The problem I see with that is the possibility that non-government players will steal one  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 08:49 AM   #77 
     - Both of those possibilities already exist, yet have not come to pass.  MLFerrell   Oct-17-07 08:59 AM   #79 
        - I'm not convinced the Soviet arsenal has been properly accounted for  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 09:01 AM   #80 
  - shooting from the hip here  madokie   Oct-17-07 08:44 AM   #76 
  - You're making a lot of sense, too much for our elected leaders  YankmeCrankme   Oct-17-07 11:14 AM   #91 
  - exactly  iamthebandfanman   Oct-17-07 09:54 AM   #84 
  - Nobody having nukes is not a realistic possibility now  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 10:48 AM   #85 
  - It does work to a point.  Cleita   Oct-17-07 11:02 AM   #88 
  - We're not allowed to even think about it, according to Slacky.  Atman   Oct-17-07 11:05 AM   #89 
     - You and everybody else have the option of not responding to me  slackmaster   Oct-17-07 12:27 PM   #97 
  - Small arms aren't nuclear weapons...  benEzra   Oct-17-07 12:12 PM   #94 
  - Still engaging in personal attacks. You've embarassed yourself pretty well with this thread.  piedmont   Oct-17-07 02:09 PM   #99 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-17-07 02:22 PM   #100 
  - What an enlightening thread. Thanks Peidmont and Slacky.  Atman   Oct-17-07 04:48 PM   #101 
  - Look, I saw the point of your OP and thought it was interesting.  Lautremont   Oct-17-07 05:39 PM   #103 
     - He can't do it because nobody in their right mind thinks everyone should be armed  slackmaster   Oct-18-07 08:42 AM   #111 
  - You got it...Pointing out the Hypocracy...why shouldn't Everyone Have Nukes if  KoKo01   Oct-17-07 05:33 PM   #102 
  - In the Gungeon we have a standard term for this silly argument  slackmaster   Oct-18-07 08:28 AM   #110 
  - Locking  muriel_volestrangler   Oct-18-07 09:04 AM   #112 

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