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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:12 PM
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149. O.K. I made some assumptions which are unfounded.
Why did you not simply state that you are a home care nurse/assistant, we could have avoided a lot of misunderstanding.

However, that said. The people you deal with DO NOT represent the same danger to you, that a hopped up nutcase does to a cop. That is not to say that they are not a risk to you, but you do know with some degree of certainty what you are dealing with and can behave and respond accordingly. A cop only knows what he is dealing with AFTER it blows up in his face and then he is expected to posses the wisdom of Solomon and the clinical skills of Jung or Freud.

You deal with people who do not know what they are doing. Cops usually are faced by people who a) do know what they are doing, and b) are determined not to submit peaceably. Not because of some actual mental problem, but because they don't fucking wanna, and they're not gonna be made to without a fight.

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  -DUers: Read this RE: Kerry/Taser situation for some perspective... MessiahRp  Sep-18-07 04:09 PM   #0 
  - I doubt that anything is going to convince some people that Kerry did what he could.  TwilightZone   Sep-18-07 04:16 PM   #1 
  - Kerry did everything right. But everyone else should be ashamed  bos1   Sep-19-07 02:42 AM   #54 
  - This is BS.  Mugsy   Sep-19-07 12:09 PM   #89 
     - IMAGE, PEOPLE, IMAGE!  JFN1   Sep-19-07 12:25 PM   #91 
     - It would be crazy for Kerry to try to take authority from police.  IMModerate   Sep-19-07 01:15 PM   #100 
     - Scenario: Senator Kerry leaps from the stage into the mosh pit, giving new meaning to "supporters.."  IMModerate   Sep-19-07 01:42 PM   #101 
     - B.S. on you...holding Kerry responsible is idiotic...  rfranklin   Sep-19-07 01:51 PM   #103 
  - Thank you Rp  jkshaw   Sep-18-07 04:18 PM   #2 
  - Thank you for this,  rwheeler31   Sep-18-07 04:21 PM   #3 
  - Precisely why I don't listen to her  MessiahRp   Sep-18-07 04:30 PM   #6 
  - I hope some people will call her and ask for a retraction  MH1   Sep-18-07 04:39 PM   #12 
  - Absolutely K&R  Felinity   Sep-18-07 04:38 PM   #9 
  - Randi will apologize if she is wrong.  JDPriestly   Sep-18-07 10:13 PM   #36 
  - Randi  PhilipDC   Sep-19-07 10:45 AM   #81 
  - She's on it again today  wryter2000   Sep-19-07 03:12 PM   #113 
  - K&R.  TwilightZone   Sep-18-07 04:26 PM   #4 
  - K&R  politicasista   Sep-18-07 04:27 PM   #5 
  - I hope I helped to kick this to the front page.  FitzmasAgain   Sep-18-07 04:36 PM   #7 
  - It still won't matter to those wishing to malign Sen kerry sad as the truth may be.  AuntPatsy   Sep-18-07 04:38 PM   #8 
  - I like Kerry and campaigned for him early in the 2004 primary.  truckin   Sep-19-07 03:59 PM   #123 
  - what a great post...  stillcool47   Sep-18-07 04:39 PM   #10 
  - Thank you. K+R eom.  Artiechoke   Sep-18-07 04:39 PM   #11 
  - Thanks for posting this. I could not believe the number of people that jumped to conclusions  Minimus   Sep-18-07 04:45 PM   #13 
  - K & R  karynnj   Sep-18-07 05:10 PM   #14 
  - One thing I noticed was how the disruptor "managed" the encounter.  TheMadMonk   Sep-18-07 05:12 PM   #15 
  - Oh Baloney! Even if you carefully orchestrate some actions  truedelphi   Sep-19-07 12:39 PM   #92 
  - The police did everything by ther book as far as I could see.  TheMadMonk   Sep-19-07 02:26 PM   #108 
     - Except whenyou are in your car, you are under the Authority of  truedelphi   Sep-19-07 02:34 PM   #110 
        - He has answered that question on multiple occasions  rox63   Sep-19-07 03:13 PM   #114 
        - Thank you for that.  truedelphi   Sep-19-07 03:19 PM   #118 
           - He planned to challenge the Ohio election  rox63   Sep-19-07 05:00 PM   #129 
        - And you are trained solely in dealing with "obstroperous" people.  TheMadMonk   Sep-20-07 06:37 AM   #143 
        - Look I don't get paid all that well  truedelphi   Sep-20-07 02:52 PM   #146 
           - You are still trained to do one job, and hopefully to do it well.  TheMadMonk   Sep-20-07 04:12 PM   #147 
        - Now point by point.  TheMadMonk   Sep-20-07 07:17 AM   #145 
           - CAn I point out one thing that you have wrong (After all you just met me)  truedelphi   Sep-20-07 04:30 PM   #148 
              - O.K. I made some assumptions which are unfounded.  TheMadMonk   Sep-20-07 05:12 PM   #149 
  - perpective  reggie the dog   Sep-19-07 04:09 PM   #126 
  - It's a damn shame what people here and Randi Rhodes are saying about Kerry.  Connie_Corleone   Sep-18-07 05:17 PM   #16 
  - What I find strange is...  MessiahRp   Sep-18-07 05:45 PM   #18 
  - People are still fighting the '04 primaries.  TwilightZone   Sep-18-07 05:51 PM   #21 
     - That's the point Will Pitt was making in another thread  LittleClarkie   Sep-18-07 10:06 PM   #34 
     - You got it wrong  marekjed   Sep-19-07 04:14 AM   #57 
  - There is only one thing that needs to be said  marekjed   Sep-19-07 04:12 AM   #56 
     - Oh my your just too smart for the rest of us.  sallyseven   Sep-19-07 10:58 AM   #82 
     - sorry but you might want to read some Kerry Biographies  LSK   Sep-19-07 01:03 PM   #95 
     - Additionally, Kerry was only asked into S&B because he was head of the Yale Political Union  rox63   Sep-19-07 03:16 PM   #117 
     - You mean the first debate where he decimated Bush  karynnj   Sep-19-07 03:59 PM   #122 
  - How the hell did this thread sink?  cryingshame   Sep-18-07 05:37 PM   #17 
  - Because it includes facts?  TwilightZone   Sep-18-07 05:47 PM   #19 
  - I still think there is plenty of reason for outrage at  bbgrunt   Sep-18-07 05:50 PM   #20 
     - I don't disagree  MessiahRp   Sep-18-07 05:54 PM   #22 
     - No arguement with that -- It is  cadmium   Sep-18-07 05:55 PM   #23 
        - Poor Kerry, what could he do?  marekjed   Sep-19-07 04:16 AM   #58 
  - The university authorities are who blew it  goodgd_yall   Sep-18-07 06:05 PM   #24 
  - I just saw the video for the first time.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Sep-18-07 06:24 PM   #26 
  - Very true  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 09:24 PM   #31 
  - No. This kid set this up from this begining. He even had people videotaping it.  jobycom   Sep-19-07 09:31 AM   #76 
  - Cops acted with restraint???  neoteric lefty   Sep-19-07 01:00 PM   #94 
  - I agree with most of what you said...  ShaneGR   Sep-19-07 11:07 PM   #142 
  - That stupid microphone...  jadedconformist   Sep-19-07 04:04 PM   #124 
  - Actually we do not know what the student would have done  karynnj   Sep-19-07 04:05 PM   #125 
  - Thank you -- this puts a lot more perspective on the incident.  8_year_nightmare   Sep-18-07 06:24 PM   #25 
  - We'll not have any of that "perspective" crap here!  mzmolly   Sep-18-07 06:46 PM   #27 
  - Whom to trust? My lying eyes or a damage control statement? Decisions, decisions....  The Count   Sep-18-07 06:55 PM   #28 
  - My thoughts exactly - damn these lying eyes. I should remember to check  Emillereid   Sep-19-07 05:34 PM   #131 
  - -  Bluerthanblue   Sep-18-07 07:46 PM   #29 
  - This is Greg Palast's take on the incident  AikidoSoul   Sep-18-07 09:17 PM   #30 
  - Most likely, he COULDN'T drop the book.  blackops   Sep-18-07 09:56 PM   #33 
  - Was he there? Sounds like he hasn't heard the whole story  LittleClarkie   Sep-18-07 10:09 PM   #35 
  - I like Greg Palast as much as anyone but..  XOKCowboy   Sep-18-07 10:36 PM   #39 
  - Gee, You think Palast has an agenda here?  bluescribbler   Sep-19-07 10:18 AM   #80 
  - Does Palasts books have video recording and send back feeds to Palast???  LSK   Sep-19-07 01:08 PM   #96 
  - Congratulations....  AntiFascist   Sep-19-07 03:16 PM   #116 
  - I wasn't there during that incident  FloridaJudy   Sep-18-07 09:56 PM   #32 
  - kick  JI7   Sep-18-07 10:17 PM   #37 
  - Kerry did nothing wrong. The "kid" didn't want an answer. He wanted to rant..  XOKCowboy   Sep-18-07 10:33 PM   #38 
  - Sure, he was an asshole, but that was no reason for the police to assault him.  obiwan   Sep-19-07 12:25 AM   #44 
     - Yes that is a point -- the should have taken him outside. They need to  cadmium   Sep-19-07 03:43 PM   #121 
  - Thank you. I can not comprehend how people blame Kerry for this.  wisteria   Sep-18-07 10:58 PM   #40 
  - Great, thanks. So, what's stopping JK from answering the questions now?  snot   Sep-18-07 11:22 PM   #41 
  - Maybe he did and you don't like his answer.  sallyseven   Sep-19-07 11:10 AM   #85 
  - If you think he's ever answered these questions, pls point me to where.  snot   Sep-19-07 11:00 PM   #140 
  - So would I./ Have called his office in Massachusettts and a staffer said they  truedelphi   Sep-19-07 02:58 PM   #112 
     - Thank you.  snot   Sep-19-07 11:02 PM   #141 
  - Bullshit! This is nothing more than obfuscation by Sen. Kerry  psychopomp   Sep-19-07 12:10 AM   #42 
  - The man had butted through the line and caused tension with campus police  MessiahRp   Sep-19-07 07:59 AM   #65 
  - I only blame Sen. Kerry for his own action, or lack thereof  psychopomp   Sep-19-07 07:30 PM   #136 
  - Bullshit! Your post is nothing more than an ignorant rant  Vinnie From Indy   Sep-19-07 09:39 AM   #77 
     - Right back atcha  psychopomp   Sep-19-07 07:27 PM   #135 
  - I don't blame Kerry, I blame the cops.  obiwan   Sep-19-07 12:21 AM   #43 
  - BLOWJOB?  happygoluckytoyou   Sep-19-07 01:05 AM   #45 
  - I agree completely-- Kerry could have handled the situation with ease....  mike_c   Sep-19-07 01:15 AM   #46 
  - Boy, there are some DUers I hope never appear on a jury  jpgray   Sep-19-07 01:26 AM   #47 
     - no no-- he wasn't being tased at the time, IIRC....  mike_c   Sep-19-07 01:38 AM   #48 
        - John Kerry Did nothing wrong except...  iburl   Sep-19-07 01:44 AM   #49 
        - Okay, that makes more sense  jpgray   Sep-19-07 01:49 AM   #50 
           - I want to emphasize that Kerry could have EASILY handled the situation....  mike_c   Sep-19-07 01:59 AM   #51 
              - I don't agree with the cops' choice to "walk" him, which escalated the incident  jpgray   Sep-19-07 02:00 AM   #52 
  - Thanx for posting this  JohnnyRingo   Sep-19-07 02:34 AM   #53 
  - Historical perspective  Apollo11   Sep-19-07 03:33 AM   #55 
  - John Kerry personally tasered this poor boy 27 times.  onehandle   Sep-19-07 06:10 AM   #59 
  - Thank you!  Mad_Dem_X   Sep-19-07 07:13 AM   #60 
  - Kerry's inaction is what he did wrong  DWilliamsamh   Sep-19-07 07:24 AM   #61 
  - I disagree with your assessment wholeheartedly...  MessiahRp   Sep-19-07 07:54 AM   #64 
  - It's fine that you disagree....  DWilliamsamh   Sep-19-07 09:13 AM   #71 
  - The only problem with your analysis is that  truedelphi   Sep-19-07 03:13 PM   #115 
  - Right on!  rucognizant   Sep-19-07 08:45 AM   #69 
     - Not to get off topic but you're saying Michelle Obama is bad for not leaving her kids to campaign?  MessiahRp   Sep-19-07 09:07 AM   #70 
  - I've tried to ignore this incident for the inevitable Monday morning quarterbacking...  Pacifist Patriot   Sep-19-07 07:24 AM   #62 
  - i am among the outraged but am baffled by any directed towards Kerry  mark414   Sep-19-07 07:50 AM   #63 
  - Me, too. Outrage at cops using Taser, not at Kerry,  DemBones DemBones   Sep-19-07 08:26 AM   #67 
  - Exactly- I think what happened here was horrible  nam78_two   Sep-19-07 07:15 PM   #134 
  - Thank you  thetaoofterri   Sep-19-07 08:22 AM   #66 
  - If a Senator stands by and watches...........  BlueJac   Sep-19-07 08:36 AM   #68 
  - Wrong on all counts.  MessiahRp   Sep-19-07 09:17 AM   #73 
  - This is the point.  5446   Sep-19-07 09:18 AM   #74 
  - This was not about asking questions.  MessiahRp   Sep-19-07 09:27 AM   #75 
  - Your post is a monument to idiocy everywhere!  Vinnie From Indy   Sep-19-07 09:43 AM   #79 
     - Because furniture is, like, inanimate  Apollo11   Sep-19-07 11:05 AM   #84 
  - K & R  rosesaylavee   Sep-19-07 09:15 AM   #72 
  - I think anyone that cuts in line...  jdadd   Sep-19-07 09:39 AM   #78 
  - DUer Please!  Unca Jim   Sep-19-07 11:01 AM   #83 
  - I could have guessed as much.  Radical Activist   Sep-19-07 11:12 AM   #86 
  - THE GUY WAS TAZERED FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!  FedUp_Queer   Sep-19-07 11:49 AM   #87 
  - Personally I am glad he was tazered...voltage was too low...  rfranklin   Sep-19-07 01:53 PM   #104 
  - Sorry - I don't buy Kerry's explanation  Apollo11   Sep-19-07 11:53 AM   #88 
  - I do not buy it either.  MetalCanuck   Sep-19-07 12:24 PM   #90 
  - LOL! You are about a subtle as a freight train  Vinnie From Indy   Sep-19-07 01:45 PM   #102 
  - Compare and contrast  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-19-07 12:39 PM   #93 
  - Not really a analagous comparison. Confrontive  cadmium   Sep-19-07 03:40 PM   #120 
  - If Kerry Has To Be Responsible  Raejeanowl   Sep-19-07 01:09 PM   #97 
  - what kerry did wrong was  lame54   Sep-19-07 01:12 PM   #98 
  - For all the people defending the police/kerry...  Musty   Sep-19-07 01:14 PM   #99 
  - EXACTLY...  FedUp_Queer   Sep-19-07 01:56 PM   #105 
  - and you do?  paulk   Sep-19-07 04:55 PM   #128 
  - This is a misleading post---There is a difference  cadmium   Sep-20-07 07:01 PM   #151 
  - I love Kerry...  jodini   Sep-19-07 02:16 PM   #106 
  - I'm listening  Spoonerian   Sep-19-07 02:19 PM   #107 
  - Utter Bullshit! I just watched the entire video. There is NO excuse for what  Emillereid   Sep-19-07 02:34 PM   #109 
  - I does matter what Kerry could see. No excuse for the tasing but  cadmium   Sep-19-07 03:35 PM   #119 
     - I don't know what video you watched -- but there was no way that the  Emillereid   Sep-19-07 05:31 PM   #130 
        - Dam right!  Apollo11   Sep-20-07 06:43 AM   #144 
        - The best video is the one  cadmium   Sep-20-07 06:48 PM   #150 
  - Yeah, I'd blame a very reactionary police force than Kerry here. He was answering from what I heard.  cooolandrew   Sep-19-07 02:45 PM   #111 
  - I voted for John Kerry in '04. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Sep-19-07 04:21 PM   #127 
  - Senator Kerry is one of our best senators.nt  nam78_two   Sep-19-07 07:12 PM   #132 
  - Fine. Whatever. I'd like the answer to the question  DS1   Sep-19-07 07:13 PM   #133 
     - He's answered many times already,  dailykoff   Sep-19-07 07:30 PM   #137 
        - How about Skull and Bones?  DS1   Sep-19-07 07:40 PM   #138 
           - What it sounds like.  dailykoff   Sep-19-07 08:05 PM   #139 

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