Reply #11: The Douche Baggery Continues...

[The Animator]

There's a new player that decided to weigh in on this issue... his compassion never ceases to amaze me... for the sake of his privacy, I'm renaming him Douche....



Tool:
Put the goverment hands into anything and it will go to shit. Healthcare is just one of the many problems.
5 hours ago



Douche:
It's Tool's choice to help someone now. We'll remove that choice with this. Solidarity, comrades! Let's force the middle class and rich to pay for the dregs of society! They did not educate themselves or work their way out of a culture of mediocrity and disdain, lets bail them out of that!

Lets be serious, this would effectively eliminate private and employer provided health insurance, they are already at razor thin profit margins, they will not attract the amount of investor money they need to succeed.

Tort reform, deregulation and FDA changes would do leaps and bounds more for the common man, even the poor man than would a "public option." You won't see politicians argue for that, because they get tons of campaign money from corrupt trial lawyers who pursue these ridiculous lawsuits.... Read More

Still no one, with cold facts, has been able to show how a public option would change the market for the better.
4 hours ago



Original Poster:
As always, a different view on this results into different beliefs.

we can argue the facts, ideas, and overall basis of a universal, co-op, or no program at all. Whatever that results in you come back to a point of people that cannot afford healtcare are left out. Maybe it is hard to relate sitting in the middle class? We are fortunate ... Read Morepeople and dont have to encounter these issues. I challenge everyone to come to this vigil and listen to the stories of honest, american, people. Who are NOT SCUMBAGS, Who are NOT UN-Educated, and who are not leeching off a system. They are people like us that had legititmate 'life' things happen.

This is not a right, left, obama, or Kennedy issue. This is a moral issue. A security to allow our socitey to move forward and continue to prosper. Their is a way gents. Come tonight and here these stories.
2 hours ago

Douche:
Life happens. A shitload of life has happened to me.

But you know what, I gave up other things to have health insurance. Ask the next homeless man you see carrying a cell phone where his priorities lie.

Yes, let's argue facts. ... Read More

Here's one: government should not be involved in morality issues, period. Abortion, drug enforcement, health care, it's not a government issue, and certainly not a FEDERAL government issue. Remember states rights caused the civil war.
2 hours ago


Original Poster:
Goverment should Govern! issues that derail the human life should be handled by the worlds # 1 country. Dont tell me you agree with the Tenn. senator?

Douche, you obviously have been through a lot. You are successful and should be proud. Hell, I know I am. But not everyone has the same fortune. Speaking to hundreds on this issue I have learned more than you will believe on how broken the system is. People getting dropped by their plan because of 'pre' conditions, people loosing jobs and healthcare, people working and cant afford it.

Charles brings up a good point. Your example of a homeless man with a cell phone. Douche, really? you are smarter than that. Most people we discuss are not homeless, they are not leeches, they are citizens like us. With some stuff that occurred that has derailed them. The irony of this is it can happen to us........ Read More

Just fighting for the little guy!
about an hour ago


Douche:
They cannot be dropped by an active plan for pre-existing conditions. It's part of the portability act.

If they lapse in payment or coverage, of course they can be denied future insurance. It's insurance, not a healthcare discount/freebie plan. (Although those are out there, look at VSP for vision plans that aren't insurance.)

What's wrong with my example? It happens. I've seen it with both my eyes. (Granted my vision sucks. LOL)
about an hour ago



Original Poster:
i did not mean being dropped under the existing plan for pre-existing conditions. I meant not being able to get coverage.

did you see the medi-vac in LA, 25 thousand un-insured people arrived for care......seems like a thrid world country would benefit from those services and not americans
about an hour ago



Charles Fernandez:
I love that people will get up in the morning and watch the news as it recaps the latest shuttle launch, then drive on a federally funded interstate, arrive at a job that meets the safety standards set in place by OSHA, listens to the radio in his office and hears about a wildfire that was put out by local firefighters, a bank robbery that was foiled by cops, and then complains about how everything the government touches turns to shit while they sit in an SUV with a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet, and wait for their kids to be dropped off by a public school bus..

And Douche, if a homeless guy is talking to himself... it's not because he's using a hands free, he's probably just crazy.