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Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 12:45 PM by ihavenobias
Last time I shared . Most of you enjoyed it, a few of you offered some constructive criticism about my tone and two people were complete jerks who (ironically) told me I was a complete jerk (in much harsher terms). At any rate, I worked things out and tried to start a new conversation with a respectful, less personalized, non-snarky tone. I basically just sent and answered a few of her questions.
In light of her response below, would you even bother writing again after ONE last response? I think I'm making pragmatic arguments, i.e. I've researched different healthcare and tax systems and have concluded what seems to work best overall, etc. (my conclusion might be wrong, but I believe I support my claims pretty well, see first link to previous thread). Also, I grew up with an apolitical family and relatively apolitical friends. I know she grew up with a dad who's a huge Rush Limbaugh fan, and yes, in a nice upper middle class suburb in IL. Is it safe to assume that's why she's making very broad ideological arguments with scattered and un-sourced claims sprinkled in here and there? I think so, but I could be wrong.
This is kind of everywhere, not just from 1 thing you sent. Apology before hand. 1st Obama did not do his job last night, in fact he wasted every ones time and probably lost some support on healthcare, even MSNBC criticized him. Like you and I discussed yesterday, G and I pay 1500 or less per year on healthcare, yes we are healthy but I have had family/friends who have been sick or needed surgerys and they are not bankrupt or indebt b/c healthcare so no one I know is negatively affected. So to convince me to pay 7000 or even 4000 per year to pay for everyone, probably more since we need to add that 47 mil more people to that $2 tril that was divided up, you need to give me details, and he did not provide any. Don't tax for the money you need, find a need for the money you get. -Ronald Reagan I know he is not your favorite person but this is a good quote This is a way to live by, not just from a government stand. Don't spend and then try to find a way to pay for it. Take the money you earn and spend it wisely. Maybe that is why there are so many "Rich, White, Republican Men" , they follow this belief. I know my family does and they save more than that "working person tax effect". How many CEO's do you know, or anyone you know, know? What rich corporate white men do you know that got that way off the backs of the poor? Not all rich people are corrupt and bad. I never met a CEO or any rich shady banker people. I only hear about them on tv. I do know many white, latino and black rich americans, men and women (I can list some and their professions if needed). Maybe you need to know rich people who worked their ass's off to not feel such an anger against. What is the percentage of the population that are shady get rich off the backs of the poor? Lets look into this and see how many people work hard, are honest and well off. I feel the divide in this country between the rich, middle class and poor is worse than ever not because of the dollar amount separating them but the attitude the media and gov has projected. Who is that private investor in the article you sent me? He is not the bad guy to you right? That could be your neighbor. The gov is the bad guy, who made the risky bet with the money, which isn't really tax payers money, FDIC gets their money else where, or at least by other means not taxing the taxpayers.
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