Reply #307: Please provide examples.

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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-08-08 08:38 AM
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287. How about blaming the GLBT community for their own failure?

This whole conversation is childish. Those among the GBLT voicing this need to grow up and take responsibililty for their won fuck up.

They blew it. They had the chance to defeat Prop 8 -- a vile piece of shit if there ever was one -- and they missed it.

They need to blame themselves.

I'll recommend this post -- I recommend that it be preserved for eternity as a shining example of immaturity.

I get that you think the victims in all this are responsible for their fate "exclusively." On the other hand, the same kind of thing was said of me once -- because I'm black. But no one could come up with any specifics on what exactly it was my race had to do with my fate, in that case either. We all know now that it was just another failed attempt to displace the responsibility for racism and the effects it has had upon its victims. So it pains me to see black people deny the equivalence of their own plight, with that of gay people. If equality is to have any true meaning at all, then it has to include everyone, or it's all just a bunch of shit. Another lie.

Anyone who pulled the lever to deny someone access to the same full rights and privileges as they have, are the one's who are at fault here. No matter what their race or their reason(s). So as far as I see it, any black person who voted for this amendment, is a hypocrite of the worst sort. And its got nothing to do with the 50's and/or scapegoating some group (which ironically ends up being the effect of your position). It has everything to do with fairness and equality and the TRUTH. If you can't handle that truth, then that's something altogether different. But it still doesn't alter it.

I grew up in the black church and gay people were everywhere I looked. Any black person that posts at DU and has been or is involved in the black church knows this is true. This isn't some exercise in social theory for me. These are real people whom a majority in California has denied full citizenship. And yet you say that it is the victims of this action, who are the one's who are at fault here. You can't get much more 50's than that.

So I totally disagree with you. But in the spirit of fairness, please enlighten us with your keen insight and wisdom, of where it was exactly "they" went wrong. I'm sure they'll give your pointers, the consideration they deserve.

- Shit, it never ends....



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