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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 09:06 AM
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11. If border security were 5% better, would we be 5% safer? nt
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  -DEBATE: I argue for open borders. benburch  Mar-30-06 08:17 AM   #0 
  - i don't believe in it in all cases -- just with mexico.  xchrom   Mar-30-06 08:30 AM   #1 
  - couple thoughts  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 08:44 AM   #2 
  - It is a security risk that is made of pure fear with no truth in it.  benburch   Mar-30-06 08:48 AM   #4 
     - Still disagree.  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:01 AM   #8 
        - If border security were 5% better, would we be 5% safer? nt  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:06 AM   #11 
        - Thats a very low goal don't you think n/t  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:09 AM   #12 
           - I'm just wondering when the benefit appears?  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:15 AM   #16 
              - A better analogy might be  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:23 AM   #19 
                 - So, knowing this, they send two.  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:31 AM   #21 
                    - I don't see where open borders  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:37 AM   #22 
                       - Indeed, part of the assumption  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:24 AM   #31 
  - I agree --  Katherine Brengle   Mar-30-06 08:47 AM   #3 
  - Let's see.............  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 08:48 AM   #5 
  - Jobs are not a zero sum game.  benburch   Mar-30-06 08:51 AM   #6 
  - If we had your "open borders"?  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 09:06 AM   #10 
  - The jobs would come from increased demands for goods and services.  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:11 AM   #14 
     - Sure wish those jobs were available when I was younger  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 09:19 AM   #17 
     - I wonder why Mexico isn't rich, then? Not enough immigration?  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:43 AM   #45 
        - Mexico is a very wealthy country  Horse with no Name   Mar-30-06 12:23 PM   #61 
           - If you had no money, you could NOT get into Canada.  Bridget Burke   Mar-30-06 01:19 PM   #65 
              - That is true  Horse with no Name   Mar-30-06 01:22 PM   #66 
  - Minimum wage isn't a living wage.  Cobalt Violet   Mar-30-06 11:28 AM   #36 
     - One battle at a time!  benburch   Mar-30-06 02:31 PM   #71 
  - they don't want blacks to have ANY jobs. ever. period.  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:22 PM   #60 
  - agree  sweetheart   Mar-30-06 08:53 AM   #7 
  - There will be no borders eventually  Radio_Guy   Mar-30-06 09:05 AM   #9 
  - Here is a suggested reading for you.  lonestarnot   Mar-30-06 09:10 AM   #13 
  - I would agree that we need to open our borders  proud2Blib   Mar-30-06 09:13 AM   #15 
  - Absolutely.  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:22 AM   #18 
  - I doubt it but maybe reading another view will help people..............  Minnesota Libra   Mar-30-06 09:31 AM   #20 
  - Nobody says whether open borders are good for current Americans.  Inland   Mar-30-06 09:42 AM   #23 
  - Like I said.  benburch   Mar-30-06 10:02 AM   #24 
  - The past isn't applicable.  Inland   Mar-30-06 10:10 AM   #25 
  - Careful Inland  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 11:42 AM   #44 
  - That's okay, the monster will out soon enough.  Inland   Mar-30-06 06:57 PM   #72 
     - It's a monster for sure  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 07:50 PM   #74 
  - nice post inland  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:27 PM   #62 
  - Sorry, not getting it. Is this a parody thread? "Open borders"  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 11:09 AM   #26 
  - It's on the screen and it isn't.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:12 AM   #27 
  - Well, it SHOULD be on the radar screen.  benburch   Mar-30-06 11:22 AM   #30 
  - feel free to point out the flaws of this argument  LSK   Mar-30-06 11:25 AM   #33 
     - Which is really the only motivation to make the argument.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:29 AM   #37 
     - I thought I was seriously proposing it.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:06 PM   #51 
        - I'm saying it's easy.  Inland   Mar-30-06 12:08 PM   #53 
           - I believe it is not impossible at all.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:13 PM   #56 
     - "flaws/argument" - It's more the entire CONCEPT.  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 02:06 PM   #68 
        - Nice way to belittle an argument you don't like.  benburch   Mar-30-06 07:42 PM   #73 
           - I tried to be very polite to and respectful of you and believe that I gave  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 09:41 PM   #75 
              - Fair enough...  benburch   Mar-30-06 10:09 PM   #76 
                 - As the medieval debaters realized, there is a point where we must just  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 10:16 PM   #77 
                    - Actually...  benburch   Mar-30-06 10:35 PM   #79 
  - I suggest an experiment.  mondo joe   Mar-30-06 11:16 AM   #28 
  - But part of the experiment is also whether they ever leave.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:21 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-06 11:25 AM   #34 
     - Shame on you.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:35 AM   #40 
     - Sorry, really did read it that way.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:02 PM   #49 
        - Hey, how much work are you and I getting done this A.M.? nt  Inland   Mar-30-06 12:07 PM   #52 
           - Don't know about you...  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:09 PM   #54 
              - Well, then, half of us are unproductive time wasters. nt  Inland   Mar-30-06 12:10 PM   #55 
                 - I'm about to go waste time at lunch...  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:14 PM   #57 
     - I have never in my life said or believed that immigrants are  mondo joe   Mar-30-06 11:39 AM   #41 
        - My apologies, as I did read it that way.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:03 PM   #50 
           - Apology accepted. Thanks.  mondo joe   Mar-30-06 02:14 PM   #69 
  - i agree n/t  LSK   Mar-30-06 11:24 AM   #32 
  - I agree completely  Jose Diablo   Mar-30-06 11:26 AM   #35 
  - We steal their land, divert their water, and then some people wonder...  NNN0LHI   Mar-30-06 11:30 AM   # 
  - I think that would drive down the money americans get paid...  harpo   Mar-30-06 11:30 AM   #38 
  - I agree. Like it or not, our economy needs them.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-30-06 11:35 AM   #39 
  - ALL of them, being all the people who want to come?  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:41 AM   #43 
     - As I said, I believe in open borders.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-30-06 11:45 AM   #46 
        - But not because the US economy will benefit.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:59 AM   #48 
        - this is just free market cant  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:36 PM   #63 
  - There should be a "North American Union"  Blue_In_AK   Mar-30-06 11:40 AM   #42 
  - I'm with Thom Hartmann on this one...  rucky   Mar-30-06 11:55 AM   #47 
  - what's to discuss if you have no concept of reality?  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:18 PM   #58 
  - Borders are necessary for Organization. Totally Open Borders  cryingshame   Mar-30-06 12:18 PM   #59 
  - I think it would strengthen the body politic greatly.  benburch   Mar-30-06 02:29 PM   #70 
  - Open borders is the only thing that will save this country...  Xenotime   Mar-30-06 01:15 PM   #64 
  - Let the Unions guard the borders....  Bridget Burke   Mar-30-06 01:24 PM   #67 
  - BkMrked. nt  babylonsister   Mar-30-06 10:21 PM   #78 
  - They come because it's better here.  Gregorian   Mar-30-06 10:41 PM   #80 
  - were all humans  mdmc   Mar-30-06 10:47 PM   #81 
 

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