Reply #17: Hell...I trust him and I would love to sit and have a beer with him.

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Of course, I would throw it in his face, but that's another story.

I am on this board of Navy vets and we have been talking about the fourth amendment and shrubby's spying. There are two or three of us feel that Bush is a traitor and has violated his oath. Believe me, we are the minority. They all feel that "the end justifies the means" and that whatever shrub needs to do to keep us safe, he should be allowed to do it. One of the guys then had the nerve to call himself a patriot and asked me "why I wasn't for keeping our families safe"? I told him that he learned the political doublespeak well and that if being a patriot means ignoring the constituion then "thanks but no thanks."

If our so called leaders have to violate the constitution to protect our country, who is winning the war on terror? It doesn't appear to me to be us.

My two cents.