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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:05 PM
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40. I can remember
a time when some scientists asked Lame Deer if they could conduct tests during a prayer tent (sweat lodge) ceremony. They were good young adults, who were very sincere. It was an interesting thing to consider, for a variety of reasons.

In today's New York Times book review section, there were two articles about a book by Harvard scientist Marc Hauser about the general topic mentioned in the OP. I'm not sure that it matters as much if one agrees with him, or disagrees .... as it matters that one is capable of discussing their opinion, and the opinions of others, with respect.
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  -Science vs. Spirit omega minimo  Aug-26-06 07:27 PM   #0 
  - First off, the bioluminescent thing was probably a bloom  alarimer   Aug-26-06 08:01 PM   #1 
  - And the first post out of the gate is a load of TNT  Cerridwen   Aug-26-06 08:13 PM   #2 
  - "FIRST OFF"  omega minimo   Aug-26-06 08:36 PM   #3 
  - There is no bridge  alarimer   Aug-26-06 09:14 PM   #5 
     - So you say (well)  omega minimo   Aug-26-06 09:25 PM   #7 
  - Yes, if you read the OP or are interested in the author's work  omega minimo   Aug-26-06 08:54 PM   #4 
  - Find me a scientifically valid test that shows otherwise  alarimer   Aug-26-06 09:18 PM   #6 
  - Who exactly are you referring to as  omega minimo   Aug-26-06 09:44 PM   #8 
  - That sort of "limited perspective"...  trotsky   Aug-26-06 09:56 PM   #9 
     - there is no actual evidence to support many of those sciometaphysical  hfojvt   Aug-27-06 04:55 AM   #21 
        - Umm, okaaaaay...  trotsky   Aug-27-06 06:11 PM   #35 
           - proving a negative  hfojvt   Aug-28-06 01:26 PM   #84 
              - I've shown you the evidence.  trotsky   Aug-28-06 01:51 PM   #85 
  - Spirit or CONSCIOUSNESS is part of Nature. Are you saying a natural  cryingshame   Aug-26-06 10:24 PM   #11 
  - How can you study consciousness without studying its effects on matter?  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 07:39 PM   #37 
  - Good question. Indians, Chinese, Native Americans have a few  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 09:23 PM   #50 
     - Sorry about the 'tude.  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 10:50 PM   #54 
     - Physics never rejected the "supernatural."  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 11:31 PM   #55 
        - I think you just answered your questions and debunked your debunking  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 01:10 AM   #60 
           - So, what would you say to someone who showed the proper attitude?  IMModerate   Aug-28-06 06:04 AM   #65 
              - Why is it only bullies say this?  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 09:36 AM   #68 
                 - Too bad.  IMModerate   Aug-28-06 10:25 AM   #70 
  - Spirit != Consciousness  sub.theory   Aug-28-06 12:14 PM   #80 
     - Who said anything about magic?  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 12:54 PM   #82 
        - Call it what you like, it's all the same old lie  sub.theory   Aug-28-06 02:56 PM   #87 
           - I can smell them  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 03:46 PM   #94 
  - YOU have COMPLETELY misunderstood the point of the OP  kineta   Aug-27-06 12:32 PM   #28 
  - Here's Some Sincere Unsolicited Advice For You  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-26-06 10:10 PM   #10 
  - This essay and the author's work IS a bridge  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 11:47 AM   #23 
  - It Was Sincere And Sound Advice Omega. I Hope You'll Consider It.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-27-06 12:57 PM   #31 
  - "...levels beyond the physical plane."  CanSocDem   Aug-27-06 12:33 PM   #29 
     - With All Due Respect, I Have Taken Neither Side.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-27-06 01:01 PM   #32 
  - I see no bridge,  aikoaiko   Aug-26-06 11:42 PM   #12 
  - Rent an early 90s movie called "Mind Walk" - you'll be glad you did  helderheid   Aug-26-06 11:50 PM   #13 
  - just bought this  helderheid   Aug-27-06 12:08 AM   #16 
  - "open their minds to the challenges of clinging to a Cartesian worldview"  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 12:35 AM   #19 
  - Bohm...it's a Hologram...........  Ragazz68   Aug-26-06 11:54 PM   #14 
  - Not this nonsense again.  Odin2005   Aug-27-06 12:02 AM   #15 
  - but I remembered past lives and rituals that I couldn't have known  helderheid   Aug-27-06 12:10 AM   #17 
  - Your whole world view is a memory.  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 07:49 PM   #38 
  - It's not either/or, Odin  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 12:52 AM   #20 
  - But BEFORE you die - is there no spirit?  rman   Aug-27-06 05:06 AM   #22 
  - Yes. As a newspaper is more than ink and paper.  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 07:52 PM   #39 
  - I wish more people had the guts to say this  TheFriedPiper   Aug-27-06 12:36 PM   #30 
  - Who said anything about religion?  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 05:38 PM   #34 
  - Pearls before swines unfortunately.  cobalt1999   Aug-28-06 03:16 PM   #90 
     - Yer kiddin  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 03:21 PM   #92 
  - let me be recommed #1  helderheid   Aug-27-06 12:13 AM   #18 
  - K&R. Thanks, OM, for the Watson info and this attempt at moderation.  Crowdance   Aug-27-06 11:54 AM   #24 
  - Cool, Crowdance! He wrote "Supernature"  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 12:00 PM   #26 
  - Sounds like a description of bioluminescent organisms.  Beelzebud   Aug-27-06 11:55 AM   #25 
  - There was preceding section on being encircled by  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 12:11 PM   #27 
     - Are hallucinations real?  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 08:08 PM   #41 
  - Conversations like this remind me of Yul Brenner in The King and I  kineta   Aug-27-06 03:12 PM   #33 
  - Remind me, who was in charge of burning people at the stake?  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-27-06 07:17 PM   #36 
  - It was people who were dogmatic about their beliefs  kineta   Aug-27-06 11:49 PM   #56 
  - Quite the contrary.  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 08:17 PM   #43 
     - Watch "The Burning Times"  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 08:54 PM   #46 
     - More info needed.  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 09:10 PM   #48 
     - Googled it -- it is on Amazon, tried to bring link but...  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 12:55 AM   #58 
        - Give us a quick summary, then  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 04:18 AM   #64 
           - are you still beating your wife?  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 09:13 AM   #67 
              - I found some rather unflattering reviews  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 11:29 AM   #79 
                 - It is on Amazon and there are other reviews as well  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 12:19 PM   #81 
                    - I feel no confusion over who said what  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 01:08 PM   #83 
                       - Quite the leap of logic there.  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 01:52 PM   #86 
                          - Since you started this thread, why don't you  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 03:05 PM   #88 
                             - see #62  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 03:09 PM   #89 
                                - That's it? Your reply to a post requesting you post a contribution  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 04:40 PM   #100 
                                   - see #91  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 04:52 PM   #101 
                                      - What's the answer?  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 04:54 PM   #102 
                                         - See #101.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-28-06 04:56 PM   #103 
     - Who benefits?  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 03:17 PM   #91 
     - Narrow-mindedness is narrow-mindedness  kineta   Aug-27-06 11:54 PM   #57 
        - No, burning people was not being "narrow-minded"  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-28-06 04:13 AM   #63 
  - I can remember  H2O Man   Aug-27-06 08:05 PM   #40 
  - Now we're talkin'  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 08:37 PM   #44 
     - 10,000 years or so ......  H2O Man   Aug-27-06 09:03 PM   #47 
     - "...a long and tedious process"  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 09:32 PM   #52 
        - Indeed, it would.  H2O Man   Aug-28-06 09:53 AM   #69 
     - 10,000-year-old Civilizations? LOL! Civilization started 5,500 years ago.  Odin2005   Aug-28-06 12:57 AM   #59 
     - Sure.  H2O Man   Aug-28-06 07:25 AM   #66 
     - R-E-S-P-E-C-T  renate   Aug-28-06 02:57 AM   #62 
        - Thank you renate, this is perfect  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 10:29 AM   #71 
        - in response to  marions ghost   Aug-28-06 03:22 PM   #93 
  - I always enjoy speculation  ismnotwasm   Aug-27-06 08:12 PM   #42 
  - You said it-- "no division"  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 08:47 PM   #45 
     - Physics keeps me open-minded  ismnotwasm   Aug-27-06 09:11 PM   #49 
     - Cool  omega minimo   Aug-27-06 10:28 PM   #53 
     - I'm a bit confused by that post.  IMModerate   Aug-27-06 09:30 PM   #51 
  - Thanks to all who joined in this "experimental" thread  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 01:24 AM   #61 
  - NOMA  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-28-06 10:37 AM   #72 
  - Your comprehension skills are truly stunning  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 10:51 AM   #73 
     - Thanks.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-28-06 10:53 AM   #74 
        - Yes worthy of the title:  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 10:54 AM   #75 
           - Oblivious-  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-28-06 10:57 AM   #76 
              - !  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 10:59 AM   #77 
              - Consciousness was part of the idea here and the author  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 11:01 AM   #78 
  - Reality vs Religion  TheFriedPiper   Aug-28-06 03:48 PM   #95 
  - Openminded vs. Cliches  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 03:53 PM   #96 
     - I've heard the "Open minded" thing many times.  cobalt1999   Aug-28-06 04:17 PM   #97 
        - What "all this"? We are not all the same person, dude.  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 04:22 PM   #98 
        - Openminded/ Intellectual/ Delusional  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-28-06 04:31 PM   #99 
           - You're right and that's much better than my definition.  cobalt1999   Aug-28-06 05:08 PM   #107 
              - Rigid belief in disbelief can also be delusional  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 06:31 PM   #108 
                 - Only When That Disbelief Is Towards Something Obvious & Readily Understood  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Aug-28-06 07:28 PM   #109 
  - I'm not familiar with Lyall Watson  bloom   Aug-28-06 04:59 PM   #104 
  - Brilliant! (Duh-- it's Einstein, Einstein;) ) Thank you bloom!  omega minimo   Aug-28-06 07:36 PM   #110 
  - Beyond fear ....  H2O Man   Aug-28-06 05:01 PM   #105 
     - Who scared you?  H2O Man   Aug-28-06 05:02 PM   #106 
 

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