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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:05 PM
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36. Thanks for a sane post - K&R
There are really two issues here - fact and spin.

Like you, I believe this was real and it was thwarted by good police work. I can also understand the skepticism of those who hold the opposite view. I don't agree with them, but I understand. However, both the believers and the skeptics will have to wait (maybe forever) to get the actual, irrefutable facts.

The spin is a whole other issue. It is constant and it is drowning out all semblence of reason. It also begets the skepticism. That said, I think the skeptics and the believers can agree - the spin is a real problem.

If the believers are wrong, then they've cried wolf once too often for some of us and next time we may put ourselves at risk simply because they caused us to mistrust even more than our healthy skepticism allows. If the skeptics are right, then we are already past that point and closer to 'well and truly fucked'.
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  -I think this plot was real...and I think a boatload of lives were saved... truebrit71  Aug-10-06 09:08 PM   #0 
  - I can accept that it was real  bluestateguy   Aug-10-06 09:11 PM   #1 
  - My point exactly...I understand the obvious skepticism....  truebrit71   Aug-10-06 09:14 PM   #2 
  - Didn't they make use of NSA data?  LordLovesAWorkingMan   Aug-10-06 11:09 PM   #37 
  - I think it would have been a much more tragic outcome  thecatburgler   Aug-10-06 11:36 PM   #42 
  - Perhaps we did dodge a bullet... I think we may have.  cdsilv   Aug-10-06 09:14 PM   #3 
  - Exactly.  Marie26   Aug-10-06 09:14 PM   #4 
  - Had this plot succeeded, it would have totalled the airline industry.  Bobbieo   Aug-10-06 09:14 PM   #5 
  - That's my vote for understatement of the year....  ALiberalSailor   Aug-10-06 09:19 PM   #13 
  - And would have wiped out some 2.000 people!  Bobbieo   Aug-10-06 09:35 PM   #25 
  - far beyond the airline industry, think world economies, politics, war  Snivi Yllom   Aug-11-06 08:52 AM   #49 
  - I agree.  ocelot   Aug-10-06 09:14 PM   #6 
  - I have the same problem about the planes blowing up over the  mmonk   Aug-10-06 09:15 PM   #7 
  - You may be right  Vinnie From Indy   Aug-10-06 09:16 PM   #8 
  - Sure does seem like Al Qaeda rides to the rescue everytime Bush stumbles  billbuckhead   Aug-10-06 09:23 PM   #19 
  - For me  Marie26   Aug-10-06 09:23 PM   #20 
  - Because there would have been no evidence as to how they did it.  seriousstan   Aug-10-06 09:17 PM   #9 
  - I thought of that too, TWA 800 was a difficult recovery in 100' of water  Snivi Yllom   Aug-11-06 08:56 AM   #51 
  - I believe it was real...and evidence of Bush's failed anti-terrorist ...  SaveElmer   Aug-10-06 09:18 PM   #10 
  - That occured to me too  nam78_two   Aug-10-06 09:18 PM   #11 
  - 10 jets  Mz Pip   Aug-10-06 09:19 PM   #12 
  - Good for them...and  zidzi   Aug-10-06 09:19 PM   #14 
  - Hundreds killed would scare the shit out of us.  DistressedAmerican   Aug-10-06 09:19 PM   #15 
  - I don't buy it,, why use jets from Britain for a trail run why not  DemInDistress   Aug-10-06 09:30 PM   #23 
  - That's so self-centered  Marie26   Aug-10-06 09:35 PM   #24 
     - have you seen a working model of this liquid bomb? has anybody?  DemInDistress   Aug-10-06 10:02 PM   #32 
        - Since they actually used one in the test run for the Bojinka Plot,  DistressedAmerican   Aug-11-06 08:34 AM   #45 
  - I disagree...  Iowa   Aug-10-06 11:14 PM   #39 
     - That really needed to be said!  FiveGoodMen   Aug-10-06 11:29 PM   #40 
     - You maybe. America Would Be Reshocked.  DistressedAmerican   Aug-11-06 08:31 AM   #44 
     - Nah, I don't believe it...  Iowa   Aug-11-06 11:12 AM   #58 
     - we have nothing to fear but fear itself  fishwax   Aug-11-06 10:28 AM   #56 
        - Exactly, fishwax!  Iowa   Aug-11-06 11:14 AM   #59 
           - what you said resonated with me  fishwax   Aug-11-06 11:51 AM   #64 
  - I don't know if it's real or not  C_U_L8R   Aug-10-06 09:20 PM   #16 
  - I think the plot was real because British Intellegience was  MadMaddie   Aug-10-06 09:22 PM   #17 
  - unless their 'insider' to the terra cell was anything like ours (i.e.,  soothsayer   Aug-10-06 09:28 PM   #22 
  - Look at the bright side. No Brazilian electricians were shot in the head  NNN0LHI   Aug-10-06 09:23 PM   #18 
  - How many is a--  eridani   Aug-11-06 12:28 AM   #43 
  - I Wholly Agree  AnnieBW   Aug-10-06 09:27 PM   #21 
  - Great posting..totally agree!  Oleladylib   Aug-10-06 09:40 PM   #26 
  - Exactly. They took the threat seriously and did their jobs  TayTay   Aug-10-06 09:44 PM   #27 
  - Weren't those planes schedule to land at some point?  Telly Savalas   Aug-10-06 09:45 PM   #28 
  - Out in the middle of the Atlantic...  D__S   Aug-11-06 10:33 AM   #57 
  - Is this the same British Intelligence that stands by the "yellow cake"?  BushOut06   Aug-10-06 09:48 PM   #29 
  - As to why planes would be blown up over Atlantic ocean....  kitty1   Aug-10-06 09:53 PM   #30 
  - Some people will believe anything.  leesa   Aug-10-06 10:00 PM   #31 
  - Think about the timing.  raysr   Aug-10-06 10:02 PM   #33 
  - Isn't it interesting that it has been the Metropolitan Police,  colorado thinker   Aug-10-06 10:03 PM   #34 
  - No flames here!  AZBlue   Aug-10-06 10:35 PM   #35 
  - Thanks for a sane post - K&R  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-10-06 11:05 PM   #36 
  - Totally agree... but why did the plot get this far at all?  tinrobot   Aug-10-06 11:10 PM   #38 
  - It may have been real, but had no real chance of suceeding  treestar   Aug-10-06 11:31 PM   #41 
  - No chance? Ask Haruki Ikegami's family if they had no chance.  Snivi Yllom   Aug-11-06 08:59 AM   #52 
  - using investigative techniques? like police do. that will never get  seabeyond   Aug-11-06 08:40 AM   #46 
  - you are much more likely to destroy the plane w/ no survivors over water  Snivi Yllom   Aug-11-06 08:46 AM   #47 
  - How many of these threads will we have to endure?  qanda   Aug-11-06 08:49 AM   #48 
  - Well, you can't fool all the people all of the time  TheFriedPiper   Aug-11-06 08:55 AM   #50 
  - It is real, and show how incompetent * is in protecting us.  Odin2005   Aug-11-06 10:10 AM   #53 
  - If your purpose was to guarantee the maximum . .  msmcghee   Aug-11-06 10:21 AM   #54 
  - I don't "think" so...  kentuck   Aug-11-06 10:23 AM   #55 
  - I think the plot was BS, and fear has once again robbed ppl of reason.  Beelzebud   Aug-11-06 11:15 AM   #60 
  - Very true  wryter2000   Aug-11-06 11:24 AM   #61 
  - The plot can be real and this still used to manipulate the public  EstimatedProphet   Aug-11-06 11:29 AM   #62 
  - British Intel dropped the ball on the subway bombings last year  ZombyWoof   Aug-11-06 11:33 AM   #63 
  - did the plotters have any chemicals and did they buy tickets?  LSK   Aug-11-06 11:53 AM   #65 

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