Reply #7: The particular DLCers who hold certain dogma

[PATRICK]

Namely, support Bush, never impeach him or oppose the war, give corporations everything, and never ever go against the media or DC establishment. THESE are dogmatic. ALL other Democratic or American principles are not, and are instead open for obfuscation or sacrifice. All who oppose their Wormtongue dogma are the enemy, not the opposing party, not criminal traitors, not terrorists. And the dumber and more puerile the center right posing on "issues" the better.

And their names are specific and limited, although their influence on the party is pervasive and pernicious and unquestionably negative. From, Luntz, the guy quoted above, several other and various advisers so
corrupted by the dogma they think this is the way to win elections too.

Among the latter are many former Clinton/Gore campaign advisers, now with a very spotty track record because Bill does not carry their swampwater anymore. It was never their genius, only Clinton himself and the GOP vulnerability of that time. Clinton did a lot of selling out to make the prosperity that should have insured his invulnerability by their dogma. It only worked for him. All around him, including the prosperity, was dismantled. The vaunted DLC, the "winning" advisers, what does it take to make them go away? Just look at Hillary's presidential debacle, which, thank God, does not threaten her Senate seat yet. A flawed candidate beset by truly suicidal advice she has chosen as firmly as she placed faith in Colin Powell on Iraq WMD fairy tales..

I hope for whatever reason these types have hitched their chains to Bush's falling star and go down with him. Hopefully before him since they stand directly in the way.