Reply #56: Your Reply Shows That You Completely Missed The Point Of My Post.

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All you did was copy and paste the same stuff you did to begin with, without taking any of my accurate points into consideration. Anyone can cut and paste other people's words, but I'd be curious to hear your own defense instead of somebody else's. If you believe in the point so strongly you should be able to debate it with your own thoughts, not the thoughts of another. But even the copy and paste has nothing relevant to do with the points I raised.

First off, I have stated numerous times the reality that until legitimate two-sided official congressional investigations take place impeachment is not even up for discussion. You can't call for impeachment prior to such legitimacy even having taken place, as to do so would be completely reckless, irresponsible, futile and ignorant. I have repeated multiple times that firmly calling for impeachment prior to such investigations makes us as bad in premise as bush when he deceived the american people by pretending that he was trying for diplomacy in Iraq, while he already knew firmly the war would take place. You've heard of the downing street memos, correct? Well if you already conclude that we are to impeach him, before fair, thorough and official investigations have even occurred, then you are guilty of the same disgraceful tactic since the investigations would then just be a ruse.

With something as important and dramatic to our nation as impeachment, both sides MUST have the opportunity to present evidence and defense, and those things MUST be done under oath. It is a serious process with serious consequences and there are some serious protocols that should be followed. I know we all strongly believe with good reason already that he has committed several impeachable offenses. But that's irrelevant to this argument, as the country does not revolve around our small group. Without first having real investigations where the participants are under oath and all sides have the opportunity to present their case, there is nothing substantial to present to congress or the American public to gain the support and awareness necessary to impeach at all. Without the official congressional investigations, there is ZERO legitimacy to the calls. The act would go down in history as every bit as partisan, irresponsible and illegitimate as what they pulled on President Clinton. I'm not sure why you are so willing to undermine your own cause by wanting such.

And as far as checks and balances go, we have them back already once we take control in January. That in and of itself will put a huge damper on his ability to cause further damage. Impeachment is NOT the only way to show existence of the three equal but separate branches of government. Such a claim would be rooted in sheer ignorance.

And yes, of course impeachment should be non-partisan and not about one party or the other. Of course it is of far greater importance. But to think you can have a successful impeachment without first getting support from the American public, and more importantly from Congress itself, you are immensely misguided in the reality of how it all works.

It might be so easy for you to copy and paste the words of others and portray this nice little idealistic notion that we must stand on honor and conviction and defend the constitution by impeaching the president; not because of politics but because of necessity to maintaining the vision of the constitution, but after stepping out of the dreamland bubble one would then realize that in actual reality such a thing is not so easy. In fact, it currently is near impossible and almost certainly futile. You can state through other's words all you want that we MUST impeach blah blah blah, but how exactly are you going to pull it off without enough members in the House and Senate supporting it? You think they're going to do it because they read some post on DU? You think the process is that easy?

You can talk about impeachment all you want till you're blue in the face. You can paste other people saying as often as you wish that we must impeach for this reason that reason etcetera etcetera. Saying it is easy. Anyone can say it. Making it happen is gonna be a bit more challenging. The only way it's going to happen is through thorough and legitimate congressional investigations; during which such evidence comes to surface that the majority of congress members would be calling for the immediate impeachment and the American public would be demanding it as well. And guess what: We ain't anywhere even close to such things occurring yet. The calls for impeachment right now are just empty clarion calls filled with futility and prematurity. Saying 'impeach now' carries no validity or reality behind it. It's just lip service.

We have a great new congress in January, and many great things we are to accomplish. Part of that will be investigations into some serious abuse of power. Who knows what those investigations will yield and what case can be made to the American people. What I do know is that until that time comes, talk of impeachment is just the talk of fools, as it is declaring an action not sound in reality and that is bound to utterly fail. With luck, maybe the investigations will in fact yield such an enormous mountain of facts that the public and congressional outcry will be so great that impeachment then becomes viable. I'm not holding my breath with that, but who knows. All I do know is that the ONLY way to get there is by holding serious, thorough and legitimate congressional investigations during which an end result of impeachment is not yet determined. I will repeat again, that until that takes place, talk of impeachment is completely premature and misguided.