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SCARBOROUGH: Earlier, I asked Massachusetts senator and former presidential candidate John Kerry about the report and whether or not this is still a White House in denial.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Well, listen, you know what I think we ought to do today is take this study group and see if we can find some common ground with the president. If he says it`s not far from his policy, then let`s talk about how we`re going to really implement it.

But this study group does not do as much of the job as I think we still need to get done. You know, looking forward to 2008 is not going to satisfy a lot of Americans. Additional training is not going to resolve the problem of Iraq. As I said, it`s a problem of motivation. If the army itself is predominantly Shi`a, and those Shi`a are members of a militia and they are controlled by people who still have a different interest from the federal government, you`ve got a problem.

So this fundamental, I think, divide, is over what are we trying to now achieve diplomatically and politically, and that`s where I think the president may be either -- you know, either in denial or not yet ready to admit that he`s got to move in a new direction. But I hope ultimately, he will.

SCARBOROUGH: Your testimony in 1971, the end of that testimony now seems prescient and applicable to Iraq, that, you know, no man should be the last man to die in Iraq because of a failed policy.

KERRY: I believe that.

SCARBOROUGH: Do you sort of feel reverberations of 1971 all over again in this report?

KERRY: I feel reverberations in the sense, Joe, that the policy is a failed policy which was based on a lot of misleading and even in some cases untruths. And I think that a lot of the American people are very upset about that. But we care about those service people. I mean, they are extraordinary. They deserve our support. And the best way to support them is to get the policy right now. And I think that`s the foremost thing. I think the study group has really moved the debate, and that`s important for all of us as Americans because we need to get this policy right.

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SCARBOROUGH: With us again is Pat Buchanan. You know, Pat, I think John Kerry is exactly right when he says more training is not going to help the Iraq situation. As you pointed out before, our troops aren`t able to train them. Why do we think that we`re going to be able to -- as our combat troops leave, train them? So I mean, maybe the Bush administration is still in a state of denial, but this Iraq Study Group may also be in a state of denial, right?

BUCHANAN: I think you are dead on. I think -- and what John Kerry said -- a lot of these fellows are very militant Shi`as and Sunnis in the army. That is where their loyalty lies, Joe.

The fundamental point, it seems to me, of the Iraq Study Group is even though we cannot stay the course, we will be better off without 15 combat brigades in Iraq and pulling out half our troops, then we`ll be better off than we are today because we can rely on the Iraqi army, trained by the Americans that have departed. That doesn`t make sense to me. I mean...

SCARBOROUGH: That`s what John Kerry touched on. That`s what you`re touching on. That`s what a lot of people have got to be looking at. But you know, it seems to me, Pat, that so many Americans have been disgusted with this administration with their head in the sand that -- in the sand over the past several years that they may embrace this study commission report just because it`s an alternative. And yet, there don`t seem to be a lot of easy answers in this report, either, do there.