Reply #89: Saw it

[Spinzonner]

and I took your above message as an indirect reference to it.

I'm no Carl Sagan but even if I was it takes a student to make a teacher effective. You were simply unwilling to give up the 'intuitive' notions you have about existance and space and time which are not consistent with the concepts of contemporary cosmology.

To understand scientific theories and truths, you have to be willing to at least suspend the adherence to the definitions and assumptions that are in definitional contradiction to them. That does not obligate you to beleive or otherwise accept them but you need to enter a new frame of reference to deal with them, not insist that yours is the correct and by implication the only one because it is 'intuitive'.

I don't think you will be able to understand the issues and alternate views of reality until you do because they will be entirely foreign and an obstruction to logical thinking about them. (Note I do not equate logic with truth, I merely require that you accept certain other postulates outside a more parochial frame of reference about the universe and reason consistently with them.)