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Tue Nov-22-11 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 85. Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt! nt |
| -Art, Math, Science, Engineering, Religion are different fields with different ways of knowing things |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 07:20 AM |
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The first and last fields you list... |
trotsky |
Nov-15-11 07:23 AM |
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Seconded! (NT) |
Tesha |
Nov-15-11 07:38 AM |
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Some of those fields have proven more useful than others. |
LAGC |
Nov-15-11 07:32 AM |
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83% for "other" - it isn't as black-and-white as you would like to think. |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 08:30 AM |
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FYI, I voted "Other" myself. |
LAGC |
Nov-15-11 08:53 AM |
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It's not my false dichotomy |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 09:12 AM |
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So THAT'S what this thread is about. |
LAGC |
Nov-15-11 09:20 AM |
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Well... |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 09:36 AM |
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Fair enough. |
LAGC |
Nov-15-11 09:39 AM |
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In other words: Appeal to Popularity ? Do you really think a poll establishes facts? |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 10:27 AM |
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I'm just gauging people's perspectives. nt |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 11:12 AM |
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No, you are push-polling, with a biased question and limited options for answers. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 06:53 PM |
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Nope. Limited options? It's a true-false question and I gave four options. |
bananas |
Nov-21-11 08:33 AM |
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29 votes: 38%-38%-0%-24% |
bananas |
Nov-22-11 12:03 PM |
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You could have just produced a single bit of knolwedge that came from some "other way of knowing" |
cleanhippie |
Nov-15-11 09:39 AM |
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How did you vote? |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 10:04 AM |
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Oh lookie....more obfuscation. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-15-11 10:11 AM |
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I've been waiting for weeks, it seems, for JUST ONE EXAMPLE! |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 10:29 AM |
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Many examples have been given, and the current poll results are 37-37-0-26% |
bananas |
Nov-22-11 09:33 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-22-11 07:23 PM |
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Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt! nt |
bananas |
Nov-22-11 09:42 AM |
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Are you talking to yourself? |
cleanhippie |
Nov-22-11 07:24 PM |
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Art, Math, Science, Engineering are all related. |
RC |
Nov-15-11 07:54 AM |
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There it is |
Stuckinthebush |
Nov-15-11 08:22 AM |
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Art is not "what you want it to be"? |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 08:27 AM |
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Good art can be reduced to numbers. |
RC |
Nov-15-11 09:11 AM |
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What kind of numbers? |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 09:15 AM |
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Start your education here. "math in art" |
RC |
Nov-15-11 10:15 AM |
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What are the numbers for Piss Christ or Jackson Pollock? Both of which I consider to be art, BTW. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 09:25 AM |
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Platonic realism |
tama |
Nov-15-11 04:08 PM |
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Actually, no. |
rrneck |
Nov-15-11 06:19 PM |
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How about this view: |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 09:05 AM |
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Math is actually more the language by which humans communicate |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 10:34 AM |
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I always thought that was linguistics. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 10:53 AM |
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Linguistics is the study of languages. Math is a language describing relationships within the |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 11:02 AM |
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No, "math" as a field generally refers to pure math, which has nothing to do with the physical world |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 11:19 AM |
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Oh god, I'd finally managed to block all my memories of ring and group theory... |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 11:24 AM |
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heh heh heh ... nt! |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 11:28 AM |
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I think one might want to talk to a mathematician before one makes such a |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 11:27 AM |
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rofl. nt |
bananas |
Nov-15-11 11:28 AM |
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Math is "a" language, yes. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 11:21 AM |
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Don't leave out half the wording, or half the meaning of what I stated please. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 11:35 AM |
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You originally said it weas "the" language. That may have been a simple misstatement on your part. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 11:42 AM |
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Yes, THE LANGUAGE by which humans communicate without ambiguity! |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 12:31 PM |
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OK, in that case I have to ask |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 12:36 PM |
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Hold on, I see where I went off the rails originally. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 12:40 PM |
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You are very gracious, and I sometimes use modifiers in sentences in... |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 06:13 PM |
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I think my comment below addresses this as well. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 07:45 PM |
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By many ways. |
tama |
Nov-15-11 04:18 PM |
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+1 nt |
rrneck |
Nov-15-11 06:21 PM |
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Here's something derived from a "different way of knowing" - not sure if it meets your criteria |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 11:33 AM |
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Thanks, I was getting hungry, and .. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 11:38 AM |
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Too bad, we could have had a nice chat. Enjoy your lunch. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 11:43 AM |
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What is the meaning of "is"? ;) |
tama |
Nov-15-11 04:37 PM |
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I would argue against this universality... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-15-11 06:26 PM |
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I did say "a *degree* of universality" |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 07:41 PM |
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quantum mechanics called |
qazplm |
Nov-17-11 01:22 PM |
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It's worse than that |
GliderGuider |
Nov-17-11 01:45 PM |
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and those concepts also arent as fuzzy |
qazplm |
Nov-17-11 02:10 PM |
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Actually, I don't do much sifting any more. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-17-11 02:56 PM |
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I have no doubt |
qazplm |
Nov-17-11 03:21 PM |
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You really don't know me very well, do you? nt |
GliderGuider |
Nov-17-11 03:50 PM |
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well if you intend something |
qazplm |
Nov-17-11 06:51 PM |
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No, the plain meaning works fine. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-17-11 07:01 PM |
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the aspect that says |
qazplm |
Nov-17-11 07:28 PM |
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I found that clinging to beliefs was actually hurting me. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-18-11 06:32 AM |
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patronizing and quite frankly silly |
qazplm |
Nov-18-11 08:20 AM |
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You've made personal comfort the metric for truth |
Silent3 |
Nov-20-11 09:50 AM |
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No, I've discarded the notion of using "Truth" as a universal metric for acceptability. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-20-11 01:03 PM |
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Do you fancy yourself a Bodhisattva? Perhaps a Bodhisattva in training? |
Silent3 |
Nov-20-11 02:15 PM |
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Nothing so exalted. I'm just a guy trying to get through life the best way I can. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-20-11 02:25 PM |
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lol |
qazplm |
Nov-20-11 04:20 PM |
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Ain't that the truth! |
bananas |
Nov-22-11 10:15 AM |
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pretty sure |
qazplm |
Nov-20-11 04:22 PM |
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Where did I say there was no value in seeking truth? |
GliderGuider |
Nov-20-11 04:32 PM |
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it feels like |
qazplm |
Nov-22-11 05:23 PM |
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If that's what you feel, you should trust your feelings. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-22-11 05:28 PM |
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Other: push poll. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-15-11 06:00 PM |
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Be careful. You're assuming boundaries on the word "knowledge" that may not be justified. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 07:46 PM |
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Be careful yourself, as you assume a fluidity to language that is unwarranted. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-15-11 07:50 PM |
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Most people seriously underestimate the fluidity of language, especially in colloquial usage |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 07:51 PM |
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I disagree. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-15-11 07:55 PM |
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Cool. That's how I see it too. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 08:01 PM |
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No, engineering is not "just applied science" |
bananas |
Nov-18-11 11:44 AM |
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I have a BSME. Don't tell me my business. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-18-11 01:00 PM |
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I guess there's not much room for aesthetics in mechanicle engineering |
bananas |
Nov-22-11 09:44 AM |
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Actually, it shoots your point in the foot, since math is in no way "a different way of knowing". |
darkstar3 |
Nov-22-11 06:31 PM |
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Mathematical proofs are qualitatively different from scientific proofs. |
bananas |
Nov-25-11 03:30 PM |
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Mind if I fool around with your subject line? |
rrneck |
Nov-15-11 06:36 PM |
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Ah. That's better :-) |
GliderGuider |
Nov-15-11 07:49 PM |
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Let's go even further than our friend, Darkstar's push poll |
MarkCharles |
Nov-15-11 06:48 PM |
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Please see post #49. nt |
rrneck |
Nov-15-11 07:58 PM |
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Only science/maths helps you know things. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-17-11 05:46 PM |
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Science and math often deceive us into believing that we understand something ... |
spin |
Nov-21-11 12:41 PM |
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You have no clue |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 03:35 PM |
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Math, Science, important to Engineering, and usually interrelate... even art and religion to a point |
Demstud |
Nov-22-11 12:50 PM |
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Different methodologies, techniques, and disciplines, perhaps, but certainly NOT |
MarkCharles |
Nov-22-11 02:55 PM |
#90 |
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