You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #102: There are only TWO instances where Josephus mentions Jesus. [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU
stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #67
102. There are only TWO instances where Josephus mentions Jesus.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 12:07 PM by stopbush
The most detailed is the Testimonium Flavianum which is an obvious forgery. the other is a passing reference to Jesus the brother of James, but if one reads that passage in context - ie: reads more than the sentence containing the name Jesus - it's obvious that the Jesus being discussed is not Jesus of Nazareth.

And that's it.

BTW - the reasons for believing the reference to Jesus in the TF are forgeries are many:

* The passage contains overtly Christian content
* The overall passage is positive towards Jesus, even if the overtly Christian parts are removed
* The passage interrupts the continuity of the writing
* Jesus is not mentioned in the Table of Contents
* There are stylistic variations from Josephus' style
* The passage is not referenced by anyone prior to Eusebius in the 4th century
* The section on Pilate is similar to another section on Pilate in Josephus' earlier writing The Jewish War, which does not contain the Jesus reference
* Josephus never wrote anything else about Jesus
* The reference is quite small considering the subject matter, and the fact that Josephus wrote more about John the Baptist and other "false prophets"
* Full insertion of the paragraph is more likely than multiple different alterations

On edit: do yu have an data to support your assertion about "most historians?" All historians believe Josephus was real and wrote his histories, but "most" don't believe he wrote the references about Jesus.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC