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Mon Jun-29-09 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
| 95. Religious nuts denying women contraception etc. |
| -Religionism is Bad for The Moral Fabric of Society. Is it time to bring back the lions? |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 11:20 AM |
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"even in the area of medicine." |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 11:23 AM |
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Perhaps, but I'd assume he refers to abortion |
sutz12 |
Jun-29-09 11:25 AM |
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Gah! |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 11:28 AM |
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Well there's always treating kids with prayer and letting them die too. NT |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 11:34 AM |
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I think so. |
juno jones |
Jun-29-09 01:52 PM |
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Yes, he could get cocaine much easier (and cheaper). |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 02:07 PM |
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And don't forget those wonderfully pious pharmacists who won't dispense the Pill n/t |
RufusTFirefly |
Jun-29-09 02:38 PM |
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Or the extreme religionists, |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 11:35 AM |
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Does that involve anyone demanding laws be changed... |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 11:36 AM |
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In a few States, yes. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 12:04 PM |
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My first thought was that it was shocking... |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 12:08 PM |
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Religious nuts denying women contraception etc. |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-29-09 01:15 PM |
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"Religionists". What is that supposed to be? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 11:30 AM |
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Neither new nor bigoted - just easier than listing pasionate followers of all religions |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 11:32 AM |
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Yeah, it's critical to find a shorthand way of proclaiming hate for the religious. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:04 PM |
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... Not found around here, and descriptive not proscriptive. |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:08 PM |
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You've given us two definitions now, which is it? |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:14 PM |
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Where are my two definitions? |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:18 PM |
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Zeal is not the same as what you are describing |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:20 PM |
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You are straining at gnats |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:21 PM |
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I think you need to re-examine the notion of the Venn Diagram. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:24 PM |
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ad hominem again - but I did not make that claim. |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:28 PM |
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Now you're backing away from what you've said. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:32 PM |
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QUOTE ME! Tell me where I am wrong. You cannot quote an actual claim that you say I am making. |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:32 PM |
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I've been telling you. Are you not reading? |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:35 PM |
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Which of those are contradictory? |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:42 PM |
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NOT contradictory but also NOT necessarily the same |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:50 PM |
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So your real complaint is I was not repetitive? |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:58 PM |
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No, I assure you, you've been plenty repetitive. No worry there. nt |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:02 PM |
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All of x may be y, not all of y need be x. |
rrneck |
Jun-29-09 09:11 PM |
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Take a good look at the hateful nature of the OP, and tell me you support it. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:15 PM |
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Wasn't my first word of response "nope"? Isn't that usually indicative of disagreement? NT |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:19 PM |
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Your disagreement with the OP was not the tone but the execuction: |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:24 PM |
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Rather ironic considering how religionism is spread |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:31 PM |
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Only the uneducated and those incapable of logic are religious? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:36 PM |
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Again with the projection? |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:46 PM |
#78 |
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Again, you are straying from the arguments in the OP. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:55 PM |
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The OP is simply honest criticism of organized patriarchal religion . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 12:36 PM |
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And the members of the KKK think that they have the truth on their side. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:38 PM |
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There is no expression of hatred for religion in the thread . . . but why wouldn't |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 02:20 PM |
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And, notably, the KKK pushed the Christian Cross and Christian Bible -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 02:22 PM |
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Yeah using rhetoric about murder. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:42 PM |
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Lol @ God. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:24 PM |
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"Ban ceremonies such as bar mitzvah and confirmation until the age of 21 (18 - maybe)." |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:28 PM |
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Religion should be an adult choice. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:41 PM |
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I disagree, brown seems to suit you very well. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:44 PM |
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Why should Children be |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:49 PM |
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they have to catch 'em while they are still impressionable and vulnerable |
Scout |
Jun-29-09 01:51 PM |
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Right, because we're all morons. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:54 PM |
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The state should really take all children and raise them |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:53 PM |
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The Government bans a lot of |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 02:36 PM |
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There is very definite understanding of an "age of reason" at 7 years of age . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 11:47 PM |
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The Crusades were "rhetoric" about murder . . . ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 02:34 PM |
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No hate intended, any more than the label "atheist" is a way to |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-29-09 01:16 PM |
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Obviously not a new word..... |
madmom |
Jun-29-09 11:43 AM |
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You didn't call it bigotry -- I did. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:06 PM |
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I can defend myself |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 12:24 PM |
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So you used a Fox News question mark to hide behind. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:27 PM |
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It is hardly sick to suggest that religion is fundamentally bad. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 12:51 PM |
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I called that faulty, not sick |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:54 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:44 PM |
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Just calling it as I see it. You asked if he/she invented a new word to express his/her bigotry. It |
madmom |
Jun-29-09 12:25 PM |
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Nope - critical thinking classes in K-12 would do the trick much better |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 11:31 AM |
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I don't think so |
Bill McBlueState |
Jun-29-09 11:46 AM |
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But only because they were trained that way |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 11:51 AM |
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That's what their English classes are for. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-29-09 02:53 PM |
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"religionism"? |
undeterred |
Jun-29-09 11:39 AM |
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Completely -- brought to us by "TheBigotBasher" |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:07 PM |
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He seems to have disappeared. Maybe he's bashing himself. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:36 PM |
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Re - He seems to have disappeared. Maybe he's bashing himself. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:36 PM |
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Offensive. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-09 11:42 AM |
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I kinda miss your old avatar image. nt |
rrneck |
Jun-29-09 09:20 PM |
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It was disturbing some DUers, so I put on vacation for a while. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-09 09:29 PM |
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Replace "religionism" with "homosexuality" |
anonymous171 |
Jun-29-09 11:47 AM |
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Yes silly because religion certainly IS a choice. NT |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 11:52 AM |
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Ah -- so you suggest that homosexuality is acceptable only because it isn't a choice? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:08 PM |
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What a weird stretch. I distinguish between chosen behavior and biology. |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:17 PM |
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No -- you justify hatred toward an entire group that you simply disagree with ... |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:20 PM |
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I have neither mentioned nor implied hatred. |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:26 PM |
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I asked you if you agreed with the OP, and your disagreement was with how the ends were to be met. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:34 PM |
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I don't show alarm at much in a discussion forum |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:51 PM |
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It seems that, rhetorically, we have much in common. Our disagreement ... |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:56 PM |
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"you justify hatred toward an entire group that you simply disagree with" |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-09 04:12 PM |
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So you are anti-choice. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:20 PM |
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anti which choice? I'm anti the choice to impose religion on society yes. NT |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:24 PM |
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Most of "society" is religious. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:29 PM |
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Most of society is a lot of things that should not be imposed on all. |
dmallind |
Jun-29-09 12:40 PM |
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I am reading you at face value. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:46 PM |
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Religion is not natural. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:38 PM |
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Don't know, I don't speak their language. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:41 PM |
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neurotheology is another religious |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 03:21 PM |
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Religion is not natural. |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 03:35 PM |
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It's natural for humans |
rrneck |
Jun-29-09 09:23 PM |
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Ridiculous. |
redqueen |
Jun-30-09 05:52 AM |
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Awww. Not as ridiculous as |
rrneck |
Jun-30-09 10:34 AM |
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It's a tool that's obsolete. It's outlived its usefulness. |
redqueen |
Jun-30-09 10:51 AM |
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You're right about the obsolescence. |
rrneck |
Jun-30-09 11:39 AM |
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I completely agree that religion should not be forced on anyone, but that is not the theme of the OP |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:46 PM |
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Do you? |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:54 PM |
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That is exactly where I got it from. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 11:52 AM |
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Hah. |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 12:02 PM |
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Have any wars been fought over land? Wealth? Freedom? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:09 PM |
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It is ALWAYS possible for any bigot to blame anything on their |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:16 PM |
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Exactly. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:21 PM |
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This intolerance is used against gays |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:47 PM |
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Don't act like that's your concern |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:56 PM |
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You are the one bullshitting. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 02:35 PM |
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"Religion is at its worst mind manipulation, at its best a form of comfort for the poor." |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 03:36 PM |
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Plenty. |
rrneck |
Jun-29-09 09:25 PM |
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Thank you! |
polmaven |
Jun-29-09 11:57 AM |
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Bullshit. Religionism is a choice. |
cliffordu |
Jun-29-09 12:04 PM |
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And there it is -- the definitive cultural bias unclothed: |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-29-09 12:13 PM |
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My use of the word Televangelist and Dominionist are specific. |
cliffordu |
Jun-29-09 12:28 PM |
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Well, then it might get locked. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:07 PM |
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Is this how you earn your street cred? |
rockymountaindem |
Jun-29-09 11:51 AM |
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thank you for your comment |
madrchsod |
Jun-29-09 12:14 PM |
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I originally posted it in response to an online article |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 12:15 PM |
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So it's a "choice" to be bashed but it isn't a "choice" because |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:19 PM |
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I guess you are fully confident that |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 04:53 PM |
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I think it boils down to the difference between unity and uniformity. |
E_Pluribus_Unitarian |
Jun-29-09 12:06 PM |
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This type of argument is tedious and offensive |
tigereye |
Jun-29-09 12:08 PM |
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"the child of a religionist may be presented to the class..." |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jun-29-09 12:10 PM |
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That was done to me in high school several times. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-29-09 02:57 PM |
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The truth is that most who call themselves believers are full of doubt. |
The Night Owl |
Jun-29-09 12:21 PM |
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Strongly agree with you that we should protect the child's right to personal conscience . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 12:24 PM |
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And your plan for that is...? |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 12:26 PM |
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Education . . . kids should be taught about free conscience . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 02:42 PM |
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I don't think lions are needed... |
SidDithers |
Jun-29-09 12:26 PM |
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No, the lion idea is a bad one too. |
Rex |
Jun-29-09 12:31 PM |
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Religion in school |
heppcatt |
Jun-29-09 12:46 PM |
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Extremeism and intolerance in ALL its forms is pretty ugly. |
Political Heretic |
Jun-29-09 12:48 PM |
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That's like suggesting that standing up against oppression and TORTURE is "extremism" . ..!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-29-09 02:58 PM |
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You can't stop people from having religion if they want it. They tried |
Cleita |
Jun-29-09 12:58 PM |
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I was waiting for someone to mention this. |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 01:01 PM |
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If it is the OP isn't looking back at history and is willing to repeat the same |
Cleita |
Jun-29-09 02:03 PM |
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That's what I was wondering. |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 02:12 PM |
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I don't think anyone here disagrees with what you wrote. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:05 PM |
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I do not support a ban on religion. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 01:53 PM |
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Yes, we could do with a lot less of it from politicians. |
redqueen |
Jun-29-09 02:14 PM |
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I imagine most people... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-29-09 12:59 PM |
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Why is evoking violent imagery against religious people not flamebait? |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:12 PM |
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Apparently mods don't care, as they just shuffled the thread to this pit. |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:59 PM |
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You should have hired Billy Mays sooner if you want to drive traffic to your blog. |
rug |
Jun-29-09 01:44 PM |
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what the heck is a religionist? |
NeedleCast |
Jun-29-09 01:45 PM |
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It depends, the OP |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:47 PM |
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"The definition seems to vary with each person's agenda" |
NeedleCast |
Jun-29-09 01:53 PM |
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'religionism' is an ignorant term. 'Theism' would have done equally well and sounded more literate. |
anigbrowl |
Jun-29-09 01:54 PM |
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Religionism was chosen because of the implied ignorance |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 03:31 PM |
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I can't believe this offensive bullshit hasn't been locked yet. |
undeterred |
Jun-29-09 01:55 PM |
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Well it's R/T's problem now |
spoony |
Jun-29-09 01:58 PM |
#119 |
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Where is the hate? |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 02:07 PM |
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The terms *religionism* |
Autonomy |
Jun-29-09 01:56 PM |
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Go back to one of my earlier points I made in this thread. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 02:05 PM |
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And fundamentalist atheist religionism is just as bad as any fundie Christian religionism. |
damntexdem |
Jun-29-09 02:09 PM |
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Fundamentalist Athiests? |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 02:21 PM |
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not really, you appear to want to legislate nonreligion as the only choice until 21 |
Lerkfish |
Jun-29-09 02:22 PM |
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I note that in many areas there are minimum ages. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 04:34 PM |
#159 |
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what about ethics, or morals? |
Lerkfish |
Jun-30-09 06:00 AM |
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so, in other words, you wish to ban religion until the age of 21 |
Lerkfish |
Jun-29-09 02:21 PM |
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I said that tehre should be an appropriate age. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 02:25 PM |
#134 |
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someone with lots of baggage, I see. you consider religion child abuse -- says more about you |
Lerkfish |
Jun-30-09 05:59 AM |
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Sweden has the right idea |
ipaint |
Jun-29-09 02:22 PM |
#133 |
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I like To randomly Capitalize My letters Too. nt |
Tommy_Carcetti |
Jun-29-09 02:56 PM |
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LOl |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 03:17 PM |
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Psst--the lions were used by religionists against other religionists. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-29-09 03:02 PM |
#144 |
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Scoot over! You've got to at least share the stage |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-29-09 03:03 PM |
#145 |
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"Bigot basher"? Oh, the irony! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-29-09 03:20 PM |
#147 |
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I guess you do not see the irony in using the language that |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 03:34 PM |
#150 |
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Bigotry consists of blanket generalizations about any group of people |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-29-09 04:19 PM |
#157 |
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Have a read of the article I referred to |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 04:26 PM |
#158 |
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I think you can shorten your username to the first eight letters. |
kwassa |
Jun-29-09 10:19 PM |
#166 |
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The problem is that you are arguing |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-30-09 08:46 AM |
#171 |
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Exactly, and that's when the original poster's broadbrush comes in |
Meshuga |
Jun-30-09 10:28 AM |
#172 |
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Now that you said it... |
Meshuga |
Jun-29-09 03:41 PM |
#153 |
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It got sold as calamari ages ago. |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-29-09 03:50 PM |
#154 |
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Hey, there is one logical reason to keep kosher right there. n/t |
Meshuga |
Jun-29-09 03:55 PM |
#155 |
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wild guess: are you an Ayn Randian? |
Lerkfish |
Jun-30-09 04:37 PM |
#176 |
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