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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:03 AM
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17. I'm suggesting incompetence that leaves the door open for malfeasance.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 12:47 AM by Bill Bored
And yes, some conspiracy too.

Our scanners failed quite a bit last year in the pilot. The way these failures have been whitewashed is a disgrace. Asking election officials a bunch of softball questions at public hearings that are supposed to be "oversight" hearings is a conspiracy as far as I'm concerned. This is exactly what happened last year.

There is also evidence that lever machine undervote rates were deliberately exaggerated in at least one county by using web reporting software in 2008. Not correcting that when given the opportunity to do so constitutes a conspiracy. We don't know how many other NY counties this occurred in, but we have one definite example. It made the levers look bad when they actually worked fine -- not unlike the substandard punchcards used in Florida 2000 that cost Gore the Presidency to fuel demand for new voting computers.

Sorry if you're not familiar with all that but it wasn't exactly front page news. Most of it is a matter of public record though.

Also, it's not just "us guys" that don't accept election outcomes determined by computers. It's people such as the National Institute of Standards and Technology and most computer scientists.

The problem is, most computer scientists, not also trained in auditing or statistics, were clueless in their approach to auditing elections until fairly recently. They knew computer counts couldn't be trusted, but they failed to provide a solution that would engender trust. (The 3% "audit" is an example of one such untrustworthy solution that many supported and perhaps still do.)

Meanwhile, we are expected to give up mechanical voting machines that for the most part can be trusted to provide very accurate counts on election night for ALL contests, before anyone can mess with them, and that also prevent overvoting AND vote switching by making them both physically impossible? Give me a break!

It's obvious which of these voting systems protects the constitutional rights of NY's voters. And we have accessible machines too, so that's not an issue.
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  -New Yorkers Cast Votes on Levers that Were Miscounted on Computers (TIA) tiptoe  Jul-15-10 12:30 PM   #0 
  - I'm not all that fond of the levers here in NY, but this overstates...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-15-10 12:51 PM   #1 
  - How do you know the bugs have been worked out and that the scanners haven't been hacked?  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:53 PM   #2 
     - I don't-- I said they SEEM to be worked out. As far as hacking goes...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 07:32 AM   #7 
        - The whole state would NOT have to be in on it to rig an election.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 04:03 PM   #8 
           - Bullshit. ANY system can be played but all this hyperventilating over...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 04:27 PM   #9 
              - You comparing voting systems to sytems used for transactions and inventories is alarming.  Wilms   Jul-16-10 08:46 PM   #12 
              - No matter. You guys will never accept any electronic vote counting.  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 09:10 PM   #14 
                 - Agreed. I don't want hackable computers telling me who won. n/t  Wilms   Jul-16-10 10:23 PM   #16 
              - I'm suggesting incompetence that leaves the door open for malfeasance.  Bill Bored   Jul-17-10 12:03 AM   #17 
                 - I've been thinking for a while that election officials are normally...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 09:51 AM   #18 
                    - How embarrassing. Right down to the 'ol "my ATM gives me a receipt".  Wilms   Jul-17-10 10:26 AM   #19 
                       - Will any one of you kindly explain the significant difference between...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 10:32 AM   #20 
                          - since you ask...  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 01:15 PM   #21 
                             - Thanks for capping that gusher.  Wilms   Jul-17-10 03:19 PM   #22 
                             - I don't see where that has any bearing at all. Accounting ties transactions...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 05:13 PM   #23 
                                - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 05:45 PM   #24 
                                   - It's all the issues you've cited today...and a few more.  Wilms   Jul-17-10 06:07 PM   #25 
                                      - I think NY's ballot scanners should be used for their intended purpose:  Bill Bored   Jul-18-10 12:46 AM   #26 
  - This seems like the most fraud-prone voting system imaginable (except for Internet Voting)!  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:56 PM   #3 
  - Just to clarify, I'm talking about 100% mail-in paper ballot voting. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:44 AM   #5 
  - TIA promotes the use of computerized election.  Wilms   Jul-15-10 11:47 PM   #4 
  - TIA makes the erroneous assumption that central tabulation errors will be corrected by hand counts.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:50 AM   #6 
  - Proudly Un-Recommended "voter fraud"???? red herring/straw man  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 07:55 PM   #10 
  - Oh I'm too late to unrecommend this thing. Well consider this my unvote  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 07:56 PM   #11 
     - TIA's tipping the scale at 2 recommends. About average for his sludge. n/t  Wilms   Jul-16-10 08:47 PM   #13 
        - LOL  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 09:17 PM   #15 

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