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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 03:09 PM
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3. Fly in the ointment?
NY votes were CAST on levers
...levers with "sensor latches" deactivated can and have for decades caused undervotes, mostly minority.


They were COUNTED by central tabulators.

Those are computers
...as are proprietary-coded, programmable DRE & op-scan recording-and/or-secret-counting/re- voting machines.


An election-win strategy of the 'hijacked GOP' -- from which lifelong "traditional GOP" Susan Eisenhower recently de-registered, along with a reported 344,000 other disgusted 'true GOP', from data drawn from just 28 states since 2006 -- is revealed in words by loose-lipped NY-Rep Peter King remindful of the paraphrased reputed wisdom attributed to this democracy-loving thug:

It's not who votes that counts.

It's who (and what) does the counting.
...which, insinuated, shouldn't be expected to necessarily match a true vote.


In summer 2003 in the presence of *, the NY Rep asserted with no uncertainty the upcoming '04 national election result, explaining not in terms of typical political bravado such as "we will get out the vote" or "we will nail the debates" or "we will have the voters' support" (only 48.5% * approval on election day and never a King 2003 concern) but in terms suggesting as strongly as the Rep's own confidence ("It's already over...the election's over, we won...it's all over...") that any preparations necessary for * reelection 16 months down the road had been completed and were already in place by mid-2003, and all that remained was -- not the voting per se on election day but rather -- "...the counting..." and even elaborating: "...we'll take care of the counting". Note he didn't even take care to be discreet: He did not say 'it's all over but the voting' or even 'the counting of the vote'...merely 'the counting'. Seemingly by 2003 "counting" had become euphemism for "voting" with the 'hijacked GOP'.

The '04 NY state WPD itself shows huge discrepancy between NY exit poll share margin (30.5% w  ± 3.21% MoE, cluster adjusted) and the recorded NY vote-count share (18.3%). The problem involves more than preserving the presence and use of a certain vote-recording device. Levers, even with sensor latches activated (and presuming such status is sustained through elections), are limited in number in a context of ever-growing electorate long-lines and experience other mechanical "lockup" problems.

(links: "secret", "Counting", "Votes" and "GOP" in Historical WPD section)

Still unexplained, too, is the breadth of discrepancy between exit poll share margin and recorded vote-count share margin (after allowing for exit poll MoE with cluster effect).

You have been advocating for NY to keep the levers, claiming that "votes cannot be switched" on mechanical levers as they can be on touch screens or optical scanners.

That is a misleading assertion and a half-truth.

There are three possibilities:
1) Perhaps you have been UNAWARE all along that although all NY votes were CAST on levers, the precinct totals were MANUALLY INPUT to central COMPUTERS to TABULATE the TOTAL STATE VOTE.

2) Perhaps you have been AWARE that NY computers tabulated the votes but assumed they are NOT VULNERABLE TO MALICIOUS CODING AND/OR HACKING - unlike the Diebold/ES&S computers in other states that ARE vulnerable.

3) Perhaps you have been AWARE that NY computers tabulated the votes and that they ARE VULNERABLE TO HACKING AND/OR MALICIOUS CODING like the Diebold/ES$S computers in other states. But you chose NOT to reveal this in your posts.

So which is it: 1,2 or 3?

If it is 1)then you were just ill-informed.

If it is 2) can you PROVE that the PRECINCT VOTE TOTALS entered into the COMPUTERS were a) accurate and b) that the software did not switch Kerry votes to Bush?

If it is 3)...well, let others draw their own conclusions.

Perhaps you are also unaware that in 2004 CT was the only other state besides NY to vote exclusively on levers and that the 16.0 WPD was the second highest in the nation. It's in the table below.

Why were the exit pollsters so far off the mark in NY and CT — the only 100% LEVER states?

You say that you believe Kerry won. Therefore you must also believe that the exit polls were essentially correct - except, that is, for NY and CT.
Agenda much?



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