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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. certification of election
this has always been confusing to me

as the brennan center recommends, the certification of the election should be contingent on the results of the audit:

9. BINDING ON OFFICIAL RESULTS: Post-election audits must be
completed prior to finalizing official election results and must either
verify the outcome or, through a 100% recount, correct the outcome.

so how do you accomplish this? what is meant by "official" results anyway? Is it the canvass report? in my state, the canvass report sure looks like the official results. you can look at one here:

http://vermont-elections.org/elections1/2006GECanvass11...

this was done before the audit.

then I look on the "elections calendar" for that year and there is no mention of when the "official" results are announced, so I'm left to think the canvass report is more or less the "official" results.

so it becomes difficult to comply with that recommendation, unless you simply conduct the audit very quickly after the election, even on election night and ensure that the results of the audit are known before anythin "official" is announced. So if they find a discrepancy, they are prevented from putting out any kind of official report that shows numbers that could have a problem.

Maybe if the canvass report had a disclaimer at the bottom stating "these results are unofficial pending confirmation by the audit."



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  - WE?  garybeck   Oct-05-08 05:08 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, that's what I meant.  cui bono   Oct-05-08 06:55 PM   #14 
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  - Repeat after me...  GuvWurld   Oct-05-08 05:08 PM   #8 
  - hey bro i got a question  garybeck   Oct-05-08 10:44 PM   #20 
     - I'm not certain, but  GuvWurld   Oct-06-08 01:44 AM   #25 
     - here's what's in the California elections code regarding audits  diva77   Oct-06-08 08:28 PM   #29 
     - turns out the former LA County Registrar, Conny McCormack was NOT selecting precincts randomly  diva77   Oct-06-08 08:24 PM   #28 
  - Are there audits in NM?  garybeck   Oct-05-08 05:10 PM   #9 
  - presidential on 2% of machines, I think  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-05-08 05:18 PM   #10 
     - Looking at their audits, I'm not sure they would catch the problem  garybeck   Oct-05-08 06:13 PM   #13 
     - I agree it's not ideal!  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-05-08 07:29 PM   #15 
        - doing the audit before the canvass report  garybeck   Oct-05-08 07:36 PM   #16 
           - it's like that game show: "is that your (voting system's) final answer?"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-05-08 08:13 PM   #17 
           - certification of election  garybeck   Oct-05-08 10:10 PM   #19 
              - we burned hours haggling over that wording  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-06-08 04:34 AM   #26 
           - You should "decide on the trigger" BEFORE the audit is started!  Bill Bored   Oct-06-08 12:15 AM   #22 
              - That's exactly what I'm saying  garybeck   Oct-06-08 12:57 AM   #24 
              - I agree. Consider changing the recount request deadline to a later one.  Bill Bored   Oct-06-08 09:33 PM   #32 
                 - i disagree with you and agree with the brennan report  garybeck   Oct-07-08 03:10 AM   #33 
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                 - What about 'em?  Bill Bored   Oct-06-08 09:21 PM   #31 
                 - well since you ask  garybeck   Oct-07-08 03:17 AM   #34 
                    - The "probably more" in her response suggests she has some reason.  Wilms   Oct-07-08 11:07 AM   #35 
                       - it's worth asking  garybeck   Oct-07-08 11:58 AM   #36 
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