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125. This is a difficult time to be alive
I'm working with the Coalition Against Election Fraud, who are staging a vigil in front of John Kerry's house ( /), so I haven't given up, but I'd rather be living in a less trying time... /

Wednesday, December 29, 2004

Was 2004 the worst year in the history of the United States? Unlikely. All the years of slavery go into the Worst Year Hall of Fame, and there were some pretty bad years during the Civil War.

What about the worst year in the last 100? 1963 and 1968 were bad, as were all the late years of the Vietnam War. The difference was that there was hope in all those years, and at least the illusion that, despite everything, the United States was still a democracy with a government that believed that public policy could improve the lives of its citizens. The year 2004 saw the second crooked Presidential election in a row, with the degree - tens of thousands of recorded incidents - and systematic nature - by computers which intentionally lack evidence which could be used to judge the fairness of the voting - of the fraud unprecedented in American, and probably world, history. But that's not the worst part. The worst part is that it has become fashionable, even amongst those who call themselves liberals, not to complain, and even to belittle those people who are concerned by calling them conspiracy theorists. If it wasn't for the yeoman work of John Conyers, this whole sordid incident would have been swept under the rug <...> The Republicans are now so expert in perpetrating this kind of massive fraud, and there is so little opposition to it <...>

Oh, and what about the war? In the late years of the Vietnam War, if you can believe it, there were actually large protests against the war. That sort of thing is unimaginable now, as progressives appear to have completely given up <...> The utter hopelessness of opposition may turn out to be the main reason that 2004 is a real stinker. When you think of the hundred thousand or so dead Iraqis, the hundreds of billions of dollars gone down the drain, the permanent destruction of the image of the United States in the world, the thousands of dead or effectively dead American soldiers <...> I almost forgot . . Iraq is just the first war. By 'electing' Bush in 2004, the American people, in their wisdom, chose wars against Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Cuba, and probably a few others that have slipped my mind. If you think Iraq was easy, just wait for Iran, much, much more heavily armed with more modern weapons, with about three times the population of Iraq. That's going to be fun.

Guantanamo Bay? Abu Ghraib? All the domestic errors of the Bush Administration? The fact that the United States is now officially run by religious fruitcakes? Continuing assaults on the environment (which nobody seems to notice)? The ongoing process of ensuring that every American judge is a neanderthal? The lack of any opposition to any of this? The fact that Americans seem to accept and even approve of an immoral war? The fact that many of them think Bush is a good man? You don't even want to think about the economy, and the amazing size and rate of growth of the two deficits. <...> The draft of poor people to fight Bush's wars, the destruction of social security, and the complete rejigging of the tax system to impoverish the vast majority of the population to benefit a few of Bush's friends will probably make 2004 look good in comparison <...>

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  -This is a great time to be alive WilliamPitt  Dec-29-04 01:52 AM   #0 
  - Right on, William!!!  NVMojo   Dec-29-04 01:54 AM   #1 
  - I know not where others stand, for me give me liberty or give me death!  In Truth We Trust   Dec-29-04 01:54 AM   #2 
  - Yeah! right on, in truth we trust!!! Liberty is ultimate!  NVMojo   Dec-29-04 01:58 AM   #8 
  - good God  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 01:55 AM   #3 
  - Came to do the short-sentence parade rain, eh?  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 01:58 AM   #7 
     - Forkboy may just be a wee bit constipated laxatives??  NVMojo   Dec-29-04 02:00 AM   #10 
     - nah  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:03 AM   #16 
        - Your righteousness inspires us all  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:07 AM   #21 
        - More reason for you to be so excited!  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:17 AM   #31 
        - Or  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:25 AM   #39 
           - *crickets*  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:43 AM   #52 
           - No,actually writing out a thoughtful (hopefully) response  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:50 AM   #57 
           - And as you see,I'm more than willing to do more than snipe and flee  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:47 AM   #55 
           - That was actually  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:07 AM   #70 
              - Peace sounds good  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:18 AM   #74 
              - For whatever it is worth  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:22 AM   #78 
              - I'm sorry.  Raksha   Dec-29-04 04:14 AM   #92 
                 - I wasn't offended Raksha  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 07:54 AM   #118 
              - My condolences  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:24 AM   #80 
              - Thank you  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:41 AM   #89 
                 - Well then  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:44 AM   #90 
              - Oh, and P.S,  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:25 AM   #81 
                 - Like you've never!  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:30 AM   #85 
                 - LOL  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:41 AM   #88 
              - Well said  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:21 AM   #77 
                 - I snarked at you??  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:22 AM   #79 
                    - I don't remember the details  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:28 AM   #83 
                       - Ahhhhh  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:32 AM   #86 
           - I'm a relative newbie here...  Raksha   Dec-29-04 02:58 AM   #65 
           - Your immediate take would be wrong  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:06 AM   #69 
           - Sometimes a good scolding is in order  seito   Dec-29-04 03:17 AM   #73 
           - Sometimes it is  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:19 AM   #75 
           - I didn't read the whole thread when I posted that.  Raksha   Dec-29-04 04:05 AM   #91 
           - Glad you caveated that one  tavalon   Dec-29-04 04:19 AM   #93 
           - self delete.  henslee   Dec-29-04 06:54 AM   #112 
        - made me think of -  selmo7   Dec-29-04 10:03 AM   #124 
        - yeah, what's the point? we should shut down du and all jump off a cliff  freeplessinseattle   Dec-29-04 02:26 AM   #41 
        - Not at all  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:50 AM   #59 
        - Hey Freepless!!!  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:29 AM   #84 
           - Darn, you must have gone to bed  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:39 AM   #87 
        - Who said anything about FUN?  lapislzi   Dec-29-04 11:42 AM   #131 
     - projection?  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:01 AM   #13 
     - beets?  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:02 AM   #15 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-29-04 02:04 AM   #18 
           - Hm  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:07 AM   #20 
              - Just my opinion  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:09 AM   #23 
                 - Fair enough  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:12 AM   #25 
                    - And that's fair enough as well  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:19 AM   #33 
                       - So why are you here?  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:33 AM   #47 
                          - *crickets*  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:44 AM   #53 
                          - I dont need to work myself up  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:57 AM   #63 
                             - *crickets*  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:00 AM   #66 
                                - 70  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:08 AM   #71 
                                   - see it....sorry  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 03:20 AM   #76 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-29-04 02:22 AM   #35 
     - I love you too  Forkboy   Dec-29-04 02:23 AM   #37 
        - I thought in some respects I was being kinda funny. I need to reevaluate  xultar   Dec-29-04 02:30 AM   #45 
     - In search of a heart.  jswill   Dec-29-04 02:00 PM   #137 
  - "May You Live in Interesting Times"  4morewars   Dec-29-04 01:55 AM   #4 
  - It's definitely a blurse! n/t  tavalon   Dec-29-04 02:53 AM   #61 
  - Bizarre peace with very happy times  Neoma   Dec-29-04 01:55 AM   #5 
  - Oh your SOX won though.....  jus_the_facts   Dec-29-04 01:56 AM   #6 
  - Yeah Mon...thangs do change, indeed  OKthatsIT   Dec-29-04 02:27 AM   #43 
  - So did Kerry, BTW. n/t  tavalon   Dec-29-04 04:21 AM   #94 
  - our time  suffragette   Dec-29-04 01:58 AM   #9 
  - Here, here, Will.  Kensingtonian   Dec-29-04 02:00 AM   #11 
  - Fine  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:02 AM   #14 
     - What else did you get?  housewolf   Dec-29-04 02:07 AM   #19 
     - A book on Shakespeare  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:08 AM   #22 
        - Hey, you did good then!  housewolf   Dec-29-04 02:16 AM   #30 
           - Hrmmm  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:18 AM   #32 
              - No daughter  housewolf   Dec-29-04 02:22 AM   #36 
                 - Glad to hear it  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:26 AM   #40 
     - I'm so glad  tavalon   Dec-29-04 02:54 AM   #62 
  - Since there isn't anything we can do about the time in history  illflem   Dec-29-04 02:00 AM   #12 
  - A subtle Chinese curse is reputed to be:  pnorman   Dec-29-04 02:04 AM   #17 
  - interesting times is a CURSE  Old Mouse   Dec-29-04 02:11 AM   #24 
  - You wanted an illusion?  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:14 AM   #27 
  - To die with the illusion intact  Old Mouse   Dec-29-04 02:21 AM   #34 
     - To die with the illusion intact  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:27 AM   #42 
     - More, I think. There's been a collective decision to stand and  sfexpat2000   Dec-29-04 02:32 AM   #46 
     - It's all illusion  Old Mouse   Dec-29-04 05:26 AM   #97 
     - I hope my mother never hoped that for me  tavalon   Dec-29-04 02:58 AM   #64 
     - Exactly  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 03:13 AM   #72 
     - My greatest fear...  mordarlar   Dec-29-04 06:16 AM   #103 
  - Peace Patriot, bravo for the truth in your words - Pravda n/t  FloridaCrat   Dec-29-04 08:47 AM   #120 
  - I would prefer to not have to do battle  seito   Dec-29-04 02:13 AM   #26 
  - At no time in history has the future been secure  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:16 AM   #29 
     - If we were so damn secure, why did they keep making me get  sfexpat2000   Dec-29-04 02:24 AM   #38 
     - Fair enough  seito   Dec-29-04 02:35 AM   #48 
     - "I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:37 AM   #49 
        - Here's to the good fight  seito   Dec-29-04 02:39 AM   #50 
        - Indeed  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:39 AM   #51 
        - "The day may come  housewolf   Dec-29-04 02:50 AM   #58 
        - mmm.... :) Aragorn n/t  mordarlar   Dec-29-04 06:28 AM   #105 
        - "Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow  Crunchy Frog   Dec-29-04 03:06 AM   #68 
     - Exactly!  tavalon   Dec-29-04 03:00 AM   #67 
  - Dammit our grandparents already won these battles!  preciousdove   Dec-29-04 02:14 AM   #28 
  - Lack of sleep  WilliamPitt   Dec-29-04 02:27 AM   #44 
  - I understand.  murielm99   Dec-29-04 04:31 AM   #95 
     - I hear you, muriel...  Joolz   Dec-29-04 05:53 AM   #99 
  - We're still up at this hour?  gumby   Dec-29-04 02:45 AM   #54 
  - You are a romantic, just like me  tavalon   Dec-29-04 02:47 AM   #56 
  - Spoken like a true warrior. Thank you!!!  Raksha   Dec-29-04 02:52 AM   #60 
  - Reminds me of an old Chinese CURSE:  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-29-04 03:25 AM   #82 
  - Um.... i really liked the 60's early 70's  roenyc   Dec-29-04 04:34 AM   #96 
  - History is tapping us on the shoulder...  Peace Patriot   Dec-29-04 05:42 AM   #98 
  - Peace Patriot  La Femme   Dec-29-04 06:05 AM   #102 
  - Well said, Peace Patriot... thanks.  Joolz   Dec-29-04 06:17 AM   #104 
  - Peace Patriot - Can I Use This?  Blue Christmas   Dec-29-04 12:07 PM   #134 
  - A little romantic and melodramatic don't you think.....  Not a Sheep   Dec-29-04 06:01 AM   #100 
  - Wars, rumors of wars, and tsunamis  demga   Dec-29-04 06:02 AM   #101 
  - Agreed  roenyc   Dec-29-04 06:30 AM   #106 
  - I think it's a horrible time to live.  The Flaming Red Head   Dec-29-04 06:36 AM   #107 
  - Grab a shovel  Mr.Green93   Dec-29-04 06:45 AM   #108 
  - This is a good time to be awake,  KaliTracy   Dec-29-04 06:49 AM   #109 
  - Back in the days  bluedonkey   Dec-29-04 06:50 AM   #110 
  - Great message, WP!  Chimpanzee   Dec-29-04 06:53 AM   #111 
  - I can imagine your same "take" being had by citizens during the French  henslee   Dec-29-04 07:15 AM   #113 
  - topic...are you working on another book? What's it about? n/t  truthpusher   Dec-29-04 07:40 AM   #114 
  - I think I much prefer now over getting burned at the stake...  JD Lau   Dec-29-04 07:46 AM   #115 
  - May you be blessed to live in boring times.  sportndandy   Dec-29-04 07:46 AM   #116 
  - Personally, I'd settle for boring  babylonsister   Dec-29-04 09:30 AM   #122 
  - Thank you for your constant inspiration, Will Pitt.  FloridaCrat   Dec-29-04 07:48 AM   #117 
  - Thank you, all of you, for this inspiring thread.  scubed   Dec-29-04 08:44 AM   #119 
  - Ted Sorenson  nomatrix   Dec-29-04 06:20 PM   #144 
     - thanks for the info nomatrix - love your DU name!  FloridaCrat   Dec-30-04 11:03 AM   #152 
  - Ask me again on my deathbed.  SmokingJacket   Dec-29-04 09:25 AM   #121 
  - I would rather live in a time...  Orsino   Dec-29-04 09:53 AM   #123 
  - This is a difficult time to be alive  HomerRamone   Dec-29-04 10:43 AM   #125 
  - Will, I too disagree  liam97   Dec-29-04 10:52 AM   #126 
  - I disagree, also  driver8   Dec-29-04 07:31 PM   #149 
  - Kick..........  KoKo01   Dec-29-04 11:57 AM   #133 
  - Kick..........  KoKo01   Dec-29-04 02:45 PM   #141 
  - Kick!  LongTomH   Dec-29-04 10:55 AM   #127 
  - Is this a great time to be alive ?  SueZhope   Dec-29-04 11:05 AM   #128 
  -'s a terrible time. The loss of Hope and Trust in our System of  KoKo01   Dec-29-04 11:21 AM   #129 
  - you can have my civil Liberties when you pry them from cold dead hands  FogerRox   Dec-29-04 11:21 AM   #130 
  - I agree, I want very much to fight and struggle to get my country back and  bunny planet   Dec-29-04 11:45 AM   #132 
  - 1890  Gregorian   Dec-29-04 12:12 PM   #135 
  - agreed  blindpig   Dec-29-04 02:26 PM   #139 
  - Testosterone may be addictive, but it can also be  JoMama49   Dec-29-04 12:17 PM   #136 
  - Best post from you yet, Will  wendypan   Dec-29-04 02:16 PM   #138 
  - umm...  area51   Dec-29-04 02:44 PM   #140 
  - From a different angle  PATRICK   Dec-29-04 02:52 PM   #142 
  - Reminds me of Orson Wells' speech in "The Third Man..."  KansDem   Dec-29-04 03:31 PM   #143 
  - I think we should show our dissent by writing  kitkat65   Dec-29-04 06:26 PM   #145 
  - You're a great writer, Will. n/t  Pooka Fey   Dec-29-04 06:29 PM   #146 
  - With all due respect  rzemanfl   Dec-29-04 06:39 PM   #147 
  - I'm thankful to be alive now, because of  nomatrix   Dec-29-04 06:46 PM   #148 
  - Ditto...  drdon326   Dec-30-04 05:44 AM   #151 
  - I partially agree with you  Time for change   Dec-29-04 08:33 PM   #150 

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