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6. As an advisor and ally of the Prez, I don't like to see him trying to box Obama in.
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 03:46 PM by TwilightGardener
Obama may feel he has no choice, after all the information is weighed, than to send additional troops. I hope it doesn't happen, but it might. It's a very difficult decision--I don't think Obama needs words like "irresponsible" used as public pressure from his own side before he's made a decision. This is perhaps something Kerry should have said in private and not in an interview.
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  -Kerry: Obama would be "irresponsible" to send more troops to Afghanistan now PBS Poll-435  Oct-17-09 03:03 PM   #0 
  - Thank you, John Kerry.  Blue_In_AK   Oct-17-09 03:05 PM   #1 
  - I welcome his input.  olegramps   Oct-18-09 08:03 AM   #95 
     - He is absolutely correct in this. nt  ooglymoogly   Oct-18-09 11:34 AM   #106 
  - I agree  slay   Oct-17-09 03:15 PM   #2 
  - I love Kerry, but seriously----I don't think he's in on meetings going on in the Situation room.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 03:15 PM   #3 
  - No one but Obama can make a call, but Kerry is most definately able to give his opinion  karynnj   Oct-17-09 03:32 PM   #4 
  - They don't care. They see this a Kerry putting Obama on blast  politicasista   Oct-17-09 05:19 PM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-17-09 05:49 PM   #29 
     - No need to be rude or harsh. I support them both.  politicasista   Oct-17-09 05:53 PM   #30 
     - Don't you think it' a bit rude of you to presume much about my post?!  vaberella   Oct-17-09 06:18 PM   #33 
        - I am not a rude poster. Never bother anyone here  politicasista   Oct-17-09 06:22 PM   #35 
        - Note your didn't use the words but did imply it.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 07:16 PM   #41 
           - Well, if you were offended,  politicasista   Oct-17-09 07:26 PM   #50 
        - Maybe it was easy to draw such a conclusion based on the tone of your reply.  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:40 PM   #75 
           - How was I dismissive?  vaberella   Oct-17-09 09:43 PM   #77 
              - Maybe it was the" but seriously"......... comment.  wisteria   Oct-17-09 11:28 PM   #92 
              - Ahh....I see. However, that's not the intention.  vaberella   Oct-18-09 03:12 AM   #94 
                 - I understand. No harm meant. n/t  wisteria   Oct-18-09 01:27 PM   #110 
                    - Right. No harm meant at all.  politicasista   Oct-19-09 03:44 PM   #126 
              - Perhaps it was the line about being in the situation room ... like any one  rtassi   Oct-18-09 01:22 PM   #108 
     - I seriously doubt he is not privy to anything in that room  karynnj   Oct-17-09 06:45 PM   #36 
        - I agree with you and see your point.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 07:20 PM   #43 
        - Well said. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:41 PM   #76 
  - That's not what I'm implying at all.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 06:21 PM   #34 
     - Would you have said that of Bush?  karynnj   Oct-17-09 06:59 PM   #37 
     - What does Bush have to do with anything?!  vaberella   Oct-17-09 07:13 PM   #39 
        - No you didn't mention Bush, nor do I think Obama and Bush are similar  karynnj   Oct-17-09 08:21 PM   #61 
           - Understood. This is what I wasn't aware of. Thanks for explaining.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 09:45 PM   #80 
     - The man is the head of the SFRC. If he and Levin are not privy of most information, there is a  Mass   Oct-17-09 07:25 PM   #49 
        - You explained that below and karynnj had explained the role...  vaberella   Oct-17-09 07:30 PM   #52 
  - And no one in the situation room knows that region better than Kerry. And Obama knows it and  blm   Oct-17-09 04:19 PM   #12 
  - delete n/t  politicasista   Oct-17-09 04:44 PM   #18 
  - So are you telling me that Kerry is in the situation room meetings?  vaberella   Oct-17-09 06:13 PM   #31 
     - Are you saying you know what Obama thinks?  Mass   Oct-17-09 07:21 PM   #45 
     - Where in my post did I even imply that I know what the President thinks.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 07:42 PM   #53 
        - May be because I was not aware you were missing the fact that Kerry is the head of the SFRC.  Mass   Oct-18-09 09:12 AM   #98 
     - Not what I said - I said no one IN that room knows the region and its history more than Kerry.  blm   Oct-18-09 09:04 AM   #97 
  - No, he is not, but, as the head of the SFRC, he is giving his opinion.  Mass   Oct-17-09 07:12 PM   #38 
  - Understood. Karynnj, just explained that to me.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 07:21 PM   #44 
  - Just as he said he would, even if he was not in agreement with President Obama  karynnj   Oct-17-09 07:24 PM   #48 
  - Separation of powers. He is a member of CONGRESS. Speaking his mind FROM Afghanistan. nt  beachmom   Oct-17-09 07:48 PM   #55 
  - Right this was explained to me by Karynnj and Mass explained...thank you. n/t  vaberella   Oct-17-09 08:14 PM   #60 
  - His opinion has been sought by the President. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:34 PM   #73 
  - Yeah, it's been stated by 2 people before and I gave them the credit for it.  vaberella   Oct-17-09 09:46 PM   #81 
  - I Just Watched The Movie "Lions For Lambs" & Posted My Comment Under  ChiciB1   Oct-18-09 11:09 AM   #103 
  - I just saw this - you beat all of us JK group people here!  karynnj   Oct-17-09 03:34 PM   #5 
  - Exactly - it forces McChrystal to be responsible for HIS OWN WORDS of caution.  blm   Oct-17-09 04:29 PM   #16 
  - As an advisor and ally of the Prez, I don't like to see him trying to box Obama in.  TwilightGardener   Oct-17-09 03:45 PM   #6 
  - I don't think he is boxing Obama in  TayTay   Oct-17-09 04:06 PM   #10 
  - He can certainly give his opinion on the troop increase in less-judgmental terms.  TwilightGardener   Oct-17-09 04:12 PM   #11 
     - The CNN interview has been excerpted partially. Let's see it in context tomorrow. nt  beachmom   Oct-17-09 07:51 PM   #56 
  - How do you know that this is not done to make a solid case for the direction Obama wants to take  karynnj   Oct-17-09 04:19 PM   #13 
  - I don't think he should make his case in private.  ProSense   Oct-17-09 07:19 PM   #42 
  - MAYBE If Someone HAD Advised LBJ Way Back When... He Wouldn't Have  ChiciB1   Oct-18-09 11:15 AM   #104 
  - Exactly right. Do we WANT Obama kicking himself in the ass 2 or 20yrs from now because he listened  blm   Oct-19-09 08:32 AM   #122 
  - Unless of course this is what Pres. Obama was thinking also.  wisteria   Oct-18-09 08:38 PM   #119 
  - K&R. I agree.  Overseas   Oct-17-09 03:52 PM   #7 
  - K&R Thank you, John.  Jakes Progress   Oct-17-09 03:54 PM   #8 
  - Thank you, Sen. Kerry.  bigwillq   Oct-17-09 04:00 PM   #9 
  - Kick for  politicasista   Oct-17-09 04:21 PM   #14 
  - why would they? Obama probably WANTS Kerry to stand tough on this to rein in the hawks  blm   Oct-17-09 04:26 PM   #15 
  - No, I mean his most ardent supporters here at DU  politicasista   Oct-17-09 04:32 PM   #17 
     - Actually, Kerry is cleverly using McChrystal's own words to make the point. No doubt Obama is aware  blm   Oct-17-09 04:46 PM   #19 
        - I am sure Obama is aware of that  politicasista   Oct-17-09 04:49 PM   #20 
  - I 2nd that kick  ObamaKerryDem   Oct-17-09 04:55 PM   #21 
  - Kerry has never held a meeting with McChrystal. Why?  harkadog   Oct-17-09 05:02 PM   #22 
  - He met with him the other day in Afghanistan. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 05:38 PM   #27 
  - I am talking about a Senate hearing with his committee.  harkadog   Oct-17-09 05:45 PM   #28 
     - Read my quote from Lugar - invitations were declined by the Obama administartion  karynnj   Oct-17-09 08:35 PM   #64 
  - Kerry met with McChrystal this week - that is why he was in Afghanistan  karynnj   Oct-17-09 07:16 PM   #40 
     - None of the hearings have included the commander.  harkadog   Oct-17-09 08:28 PM   #63 
        - Speak to the Obama administration  karynnj   Oct-17-09 08:47 PM   #67 
           - I did "bother" to see one of the hearings  harkadog   Oct-17-09 09:13 PM   #70 
              - Sorry, it appeared to me that you were implying that he intentionally  karynnj   Oct-17-09 09:31 PM   #72 
  - Not sure the prez will appreciate his choice of words. nt  polichick   Oct-17-09 05:23 PM   #24 
  - We shall see  politicasista   Oct-17-09 05:29 PM   #25 
  - Do you have a link to that? I read J & J from time to time, but  beachmom   Oct-17-09 07:55 PM   #57 
     - That's ok  politicasista   Oct-17-09 08:05 PM   #58 
        - Ah, it is possible to have people playing and inside and outside role  TayTay   Oct-17-09 10:26 PM   #91 
        - That makes sense  politicasista   Oct-19-09 03:38 PM   #124 
        - I don't know. I think it is a liberal site that is for the public option.  beachmom   Oct-18-09 01:14 PM   #107 
           - You're right  politicasista   Oct-19-09 03:43 PM   #125 
  - Why wouldn't he? Kerry has a responsibility to be frank.  ProSense   Oct-17-09 07:23 PM   #47 
  - A man of his own mind. This is a practical approach in a time of turmoil. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 05:37 PM   #26 
  - Apparently Kerry has been left out if the loop. Rumor has it they are  The_Casual_Observer   Oct-17-09 06:18 PM   #32 
  - Or, Kerry objects strongly to it and it pro-actively putting out a very strong statement against it  karynnj   Oct-17-09 07:21 PM   #46 
  - Or the rumor is wrong, and pushed by people who try to make it a fait accompli.  Mass   Oct-17-09 07:27 PM   #51 
  - He hasn't - and in the article I quoted - it said that he wanted  karynnj   Oct-17-09 08:23 PM   #62 
  - Great comments from Senator Kerry. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:47 PM   #82 
  - I'm thrilled that Kerry and Biden are speaking out. This is EXACTLY what we need.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-18-09 08:19 AM   #96 
  - Highly doubtful that Kerry would be out of...  YvonneCa   Oct-17-09 09:12 PM   #69 
  - Where is that rumor coming from? And, if there is any truth to it,  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:45 PM   #79 
  - Good.  bvar22   Oct-17-09 07:43 PM   #54 
  - Good for Kerry.  burning rain   Oct-17-09 08:07 PM   #59 
  - Wow, food fight!!!  Beacool   Oct-17-09 08:35 PM   #65 
  - What a bizarre response. n/t  ProSense   Oct-17-09 08:42 PM   #66 
  - "food fight"???  karynnj   Oct-17-09 09:36 PM   #74 
  - No, it's my response to the back and forth between some of you.  Beacool   Oct-17-09 09:53 PM   #85 
     - In general, it was pretty civilized  karynnj   Oct-17-09 09:59 PM   #87 
        - I think that someone was told to STFU, but it was deleted.  Beacool   Oct-17-09 10:04 PM   #88 
           - I know but in a thread with over 70 comments, that really doesn't make it a food fight  karynnj   Oct-17-09 10:17 PM   #89 
              - I think that as many others have found before, Afghanistan is a losing proposition.  Beacool   Oct-17-09 10:24 PM   #90 
  - I see nothing amusing about this post. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:49 PM   #83 
  - I like VP Biden's strategy for Afghanistan  Garam_Masala   Oct-17-09 08:58 PM   #68 
  - Biden, like Kerry have a better assessment and experience to back up their strategy and opinions.  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:51 PM   #84 
  - I have to agree with Senator Kerry  TheKentuckian   Oct-17-09 09:27 PM   #71 
  - Video  ProSense   Oct-17-09 09:44 PM   #78 
  - Thanks ProSense. He makes so much sense. n/t  wisteria   Oct-17-09 09:56 PM   #86 
  - Very interesting  Inuca   Oct-18-09 01:21 AM   #93 
  - Hooray . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-18-09 09:34 AM   #99 
  - Kerry and Biden are the two people I am glad are on the President's  Kdillard   Oct-18-09 09:41 AM   #100 
  - Yes, I totally agree. They both have a lot of experience and insight to offer Obama right now.  Jennicut   Oct-18-09 10:03 AM   #101 
  - Rahm Emanuel Said Basically the Same Thing on State of the Union  PopSixSquish   Oct-18-09 10:46 AM   #102 
  - Afghanistan = Mega FAIL! nt  and-justice-for-all   Oct-18-09 11:24 AM   #105 
  - Kerry is providing cover for Obama's soon to be announced decision  Aramchek   Oct-18-09 01:24 PM   #109 
  - You a very astute! n/t  rtassi   Oct-18-09 01:37 PM   #111 
  - I hope you are right  karynnj   Oct-18-09 04:02 PM   #113 
  - It is irresponsible to keep our troops in Afghanistan at all  IndianaGreen   Oct-18-09 01:44 PM   #112 
  - The CBS interview was strong  karynnj   Oct-18-09 07:46 PM   #117 
  - NYTimes sees it differently.  Mass   Oct-18-09 06:20 PM   #114 
  - I guess we all see what we want to see. nt  beachmom   Oct-18-09 07:36 PM   #115 
  - The NYT is not even internally consistent, here is their other article currently up on  karynnj   Oct-18-09 07:41 PM   #116 
     - The NYT misses the mark on this, at this time I would say Sen. Kerry is noncommittal to more troops.  wisteria   Oct-18-09 08:34 PM   #118 
        - I agree - he is still speaking of strategy  karynnj   Oct-18-09 08:46 PM   #120 
  - Good for Kerry.  Vidar   Oct-19-09 06:06 AM   #121 
     - +1  joeycola   Oct-19-09 08:40 AM   #123 

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