Reply #79: How is this dogged sticking to a quote from before the man was even in the Senate

[TheKentuckian]

even relevant to the conversation. Obama did not run on single payer and never supported it on the national stage. I'm also unclear on the focus for a system that probably doesn't have 10 votes in the Senate and like 90 tops in the House.

Sure, with expending all political capital he could get near a plurality in the House and maybe 35 votes in the Senate but since that won't pass shit either then why all the hand wringing and emotion. I'd love to see it happen to but the support is fucking flimsy in the general population and non-existent in the policy making arena.

You get me some consistent polls that show majority support for dismantling private for profit insurance and I'll say you have a grassroots groundswell for this but if you can't and you can't show me the votes then you are being a stooge for the status quo. Yes, single payer covers everyone. Yes, single payer could work with the money in the system or likely less. Yes, single payer is something that we need to move to in order to control the rate of growth of medical as part of the big pie but their is no real stomach for it in either the public (despite some polls) and entrenched will against it in the legislature.

Again, give me all the polls you like showing public favor but until you can demonstrate the will to kill the insurance industry as it exists today and the acceptance that all current plans are going the way of the dodo then you might as well show me a Zogby or something because the questions being asked don't stand up against the noise machine at all. The only thing I believe is there is a clear majority that favors doing something different if it doesn't cost them anything, including comfort zone.

Obama is pushing for something barely in reach as is. 99% of the time before the last year we would have been doing cartwheels over some regulation. BEING RIGHT ISN'T ENOUGH.
You still have to play your hand and bluffing is of very negligible because the guy you're sitting across from can see most or even all of your cards.

They fucking know how many votes we have and have a good idea of the ones that are persuadable and you're not thinking clearly if you miss this. Obama took the most aggressive course of action plausible and has run for two national offices without promising any more than that. Why are you so fiercely holding on to a single old comment but quick to dismiss the plethora of subsequent statements.