| 158. Hitler gave an order that all "special services" people were to be executed |
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immediately, and quite a few were.
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| -Did the US release captured Nazis during WW 2? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 12:58 PM |
#0 |
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Did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 12:59 PM |
#1 |
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Shhh.. |
Rebubula |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#17 |
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Rock on, Bluto |
theblasmo |
May-22-09 01:38 PM |
#61 |
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Well, they were in league with the Germans. When you're on the same side, then it becomes relevant. |
Deja Q |
May-25-09 10:38 AM |
#195 |
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no they did not |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:34 PM |
#55 |
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What the fuck are you talking about? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:35 PM |
#56 |
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the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:37 PM |
#59 |
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Fine, believe those lies, but I know the truth |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:38 PM |
#62 |
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excuse me? |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:41 PM |
#66 |
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Leave me alone, I'm on a roll |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:42 PM |
#68 |
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Is it a Kaiser roll? |
jobycom |
May-22-09 01:45 PM |
#74 |
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We call those "hard rolls" here |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:46 PM |
#75 |
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Blutocrat. |
jobycom |
May-22-09 01:46 PM |
#76 |
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I'm gonna play a weepy guitar tune on the stairs... |
LanternWaste |
May-22-09 01:48 PM |
#78 |
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Not that "I gave my love a cherry" shit? |
DailyGrind51 |
May-24-09 09:01 AM |
#184 |
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Errr... of course they did -- who the heck says they didn't?! |
LostinVA |
May-22-09 02:34 PM |
#120 |
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oops, sorry, meant to reply to a different post (delete) |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 03:33 PM |
#142 |
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And then came the UN |
martymar64 |
May-22-09 06:16 PM |
#160 |
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the "Nazis"? don't you mean the Japanese navy? (nt) |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 06:49 PM |
#164 |
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Watch Animal House, please, for all our sakes! It will hurt less than this thread |
csziggy |
May-23-09 12:20 AM |
#170 |
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oh, excuse me, I didn't realize I was supposed to recall a movie I saw 30 yrs ago |
ima_sinnic |
May-23-09 05:46 AM |
#172 |
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Animal House has become an iconic part of American culture |
csziggy |
May-23-09 01:04 PM |
#175 |
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you put Animal House in the same league as The Maltese Falcon, Gone With the Wind, & Shakespeare? |
ima_sinnic |
May-23-09 04:23 PM |
#179 |
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Actually, Shakespeare's comedy is quite low brow |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-24-09 10:30 PM |
#189 |
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1942? |
SOS |
May-23-09 05:01 PM |
#180 |
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Ummmmm ... ah, fuck it ... it would take too long. |
11 Bravo |
May-22-09 02:52 PM |
#127 |
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no way, was that the post before the edit? |
AlCzervik |
May-22-09 01:36 PM |
#58 |
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I guess that "edit" is not going to be made. some people prefer distortion |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:43 PM |
#69 |
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You just can't face the facts... |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:44 PM |
#72 |
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You're killing me here! |
11 Bravo |
May-22-09 02:53 PM |
#129 |
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Yes they do indeed |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#125 |
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Are you saying the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 03:09 PM |
#139 |
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WWII ended. The War on Terror will never end. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:01 PM |
#2 |
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That would be the terrorist's choice if the war ends or not |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#5 |
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There is no spokesman for all the world's terrorists. NT |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:04 PM |
#12 |
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There are spokes persons for Al Qaeda |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:15 PM |
#29 |
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So if the US government captures a man in his apartment, |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#47 |
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You didn't read or listen to Obma's speech, did you? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:33 PM |
#53 |
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Here are the relevant paragraphs. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:44 PM |
#71 |
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I don't think it's a good idea to edit out the other two paragraphs |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:47 PM |
#77 |
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If someone "received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps" |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#86 |
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What law would you be prosecuting them under??? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:54 PM |
#89 |
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Laws against "material support" of terrorism were passed in 1994 and 1996 |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 02:04 PM |
#103 |
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That involved Americans and people on US soil |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:11 PM |
#111 |
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Salim Ahmed Hamdan was convicted of material support of terrorism for driving UBL in Afghanistan. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 02:31 PM |
#119 |
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You want to use a law that is not considered legit? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:45 PM |
#123 |
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Among the choices of what to do with a prisoner who got explosives training from Al Qaeda, |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 03:18 PM |
#140 |
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Uh, but he wouldn't be tried by his peers. How is that lawful? |
vaberella |
May-23-09 01:19 AM |
#171 |
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Ahmed Ghailani, a Tanzanian seized in Pakistan, is going to tried in civilian court. |
Eric J in MN |
May-24-09 01:14 AM |
#182 |
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Unreleaseable and unprocecutable is bullshit |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 01:58 PM |
#94 |
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So the US should have let all their Nazi prisoners go, during the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#96 |
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This is not a war. There's been no delcaration of war. |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 02:10 PM |
#108 |
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Please! Please read Obama's speech so you understand |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:16 PM |
#114 |
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NJmaverick |
Diclotican |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#126 |
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The point was the US didn't release prisoners who would return to their units |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:58 PM |
#131 |
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NJmaverick |
Diclotican |
May-22-09 03:41 PM |
#143 |
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I believe they lead a very free and easy life in the UK, as farm workers. |
Joe Chi Minh |
May-22-09 05:36 PM |
#157 |
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Actually, he says: |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 01:49 PM |
# |
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No, he starts by saying "detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted" |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:51 PM |
#83 |
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prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 02:06 PM |
#106 |
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A habeas corpus hearing isn't a trial. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 02:27 PM |
#118 |
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Yes it would, wouldn't it |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:54 PM |
#90 |
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Of course there is! Don't you keep up with the news? |
bullwinkle428 |
May-22-09 03:04 PM |
#138 |
| -
Which terrorists? |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:09 PM |
#22 |
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I think we can start with the ones that the detainees belong to |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:20 PM |
#36 |
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Bzzzt. There IS NO WAR ON TERROR. |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 01:42 PM |
#67 |
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Bzzzt, it takes two not to wage war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:57 PM |
#93 |
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I never claimed we would. |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 02:16 PM |
#113 |
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FYI, the Obama administration has officially dropped the BushCo era phrase "war on terror" |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 02:08 PM |
#186 |
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Yes, they went to work for the CIA and the Atomic Program |
RetroLounge |
May-22-09 01:01 PM |
#3 |
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All Germans were not Nazis and most Nazis worked on |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
# |
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GOBAMA! |
RetroLounge |
May-22-09 04:46 PM |
#147 |
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Well, the Nazis were in armed conflict of an established war. |
mmonk |
May-22-09 01:01 PM |
#4 |
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Actual Obama would hold them as enemy prisoners |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:04 PM |
#11 |
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If facts are important, the executive has no rights as to making law |
mmonk |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
#40 |
| -
Did you actually read or listen to what the President said yesterday |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#46 |
| -
How so? |
mmonk |
May-22-09 01:40 PM |
#64 |
| -
In that what you claim Obama is going to do |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:49 PM |
#80 |
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Here is how I see things |
mmonk |
May-22-09 02:06 PM |
#105 |
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Yet if you go back to my original assertion |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:59 PM |
#132 |
| -
Because they were being held as prisoners of war |
Thothmes |
May-22-09 06:29 PM |
#161 |
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The soldiers were treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention. |
mmonk |
May-22-09 07:06 PM |
#166 |
| -
Should we have done a sweep of German neighborhoods |
mmonk |
May-22-09 07:17 PM |
#167 |
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There were German POW's in a camp in my hometown in East Texas. |
Jane Austin |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#6 |
| -
I've read somewhere that upon Jesse Owen's return from his Olympic |
CatWoman |
May-22-09 01:08 PM |
#21 |
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I actually think that that story was apocryphal -- I need to check |
LostinVA |
May-22-09 02:37 PM |
#122 |
| -
i also heard or read somewhere that a bunch of them settled |
Blue_Tires |
May-25-09 01:15 AM |
#191 |
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Was there a declaration of war? |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#7 |
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So what you are saying was Japan was not at war with us after |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:05 PM |
#14 |
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What are you saying? |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:50 PM |
#81 |
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You do realize that after Pearl Harbor there was a declaration of war. |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#97 |
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So all the handwringing is over a procedural technicality in other words. |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:08 PM |
#153 |
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No, There is no war there's not going to be a delcaration of war |
Raineyb |
May-23-09 12:53 PM |
#173 |
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Members of the Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, German Navy and Waffen SS |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#8 |
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Obama proposes the same thing for those prisoners |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#19 |
| -
Okay, so they hate us. Is that a crime? |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:11 PM |
#25 |
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No but their terrorist acts on the US |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:17 PM |
#31 |
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and if they have done that, then they deserve a trial. How unAmerican |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:20 PM |
#34 |
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You should spend less time clicking on eye rolling emoticons |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
#38 |
| -
Look in the mirror NJMaverick concerning the eye rolling. |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:32 PM |
#52 |
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I am dealing with a huge number of people |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:36 PM |
#57 |
| -
so it's okay for you to do it and not me? |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:38 PM |
#63 |
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If you did you would understand the 5 part system that all the detainees fall under |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:45 PM |
#73 |
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I understand fully what Obama is doing and I am concerned about parts |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#85 |
| -
Concerns are fine, misleading assertions about no trials |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:18 PM |
#115 |
| -
Misleading assertions about no trials? From Obama's speech: |
neverforget |
May-22-09 02:26 PM |
#117 |
| -
ahh the selective editing. I have seen that quite a bit here at DU |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:36 PM |
#121 |
| -
And it is quite obvious you have a reading comprehension problem |
neverforget |
May-22-09 02:53 PM |
#128 |
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You are extrapolating too much from a limited segment there |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 04:53 PM |
#148 |
| -
No they did not commit acts of war. They committed CRIMES. |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 02:01 PM |
#99 |
| -
Al Qaeda pretty much meets the defintion of a political entity |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:20 PM |
#116 |
| -
I miscommunicated when I said "political entity" |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 03:28 PM |
#141 |
| -
But they weren't arrested by police |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:31 PM |
#156 |
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Because if you continue trying to fit the square peg in the round hole, you fail. |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 11:59 PM |
#169 |
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Many were merely sold into our custody for bounty. |
Raineyb |
May-23-09 12:54 PM |
#174 |
| -
We've not made any such determination as there's been no trial. n/t |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 02:12 PM |
#112 |
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neverforget |
Diclotican |
May-22-09 03:00 PM |
#133 |
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Good point. Perhaps Obama needs to better address |
mzmolly |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#9 |
| -
He actually did, to some degree in his speech |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:09 PM |
#23 |
| -
Admittedly, I tivo'd the speech |
mzmolly |
May-23-09 03:53 PM |
#177 |
| -
Link to your sources? |
Xipe Totec |
May-22-09 01:04 PM |
#10 |
| -
Are you serious? Do you understand how wars are waged? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:11 PM |
#24 |
| -
So, no data then? |
Xipe Totec |
May-22-09 04:43 PM |
#145 |
| -
Yes, their scientists. We brought them to Los Alamos to work on |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:05 PM |
#13 |
| -
Not every German was a Nazi |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:12 PM |
#26 |
| -
They were all Nazis even if only in name to keep their jobs, otherwise they |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:17 PM |
#32 |
| -
Albert Einstein was not a Nazi |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:19 PM |
#33 |
| -
Albert Einstein left Germany before the Nazis took over. |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:31 PM |
#51 |
| -
After a war, things are distinctly different than while at war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:37 PM |
#60 |
| -
Well, I guess you have your own definition and parameters. n/t |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:43 PM |
#70 |
| -
We are at war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#87 |
| -
No, we are conducting two invasions of countries who have done nothing to |
Cleita |
May-22-09 02:09 PM |
#107 |
| -
Invading a country is not the same same as being at war with them? |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:01 PM |
#150 |
| -
Probably semantic but since war can only be declared by Congress, we are |
Cleita |
May-22-09 05:06 PM |
#152 |
| -
I don't disagree with you completely but |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:18 PM |
#154 |
| -
There are also people as personified by Cindy Sheehan who want to |
Cleita |
May-22-09 06:33 PM |
#162 |
| -
"They were all Nazis" - absolutely false |
SOS |
May-23-09 05:19 PM |
#181 |
| -
Von Braun was. |
atreides1 |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
#39 |
| -
and he didn't work for the US until AFTER the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:25 PM |
#42 |
| -
OK that accounts for about 1% of the detainees, what of the rest? |
MNDemNY |
May-22-09 01:06 PM |
#15 |
| -
Did anyone on DU take the time to listen or read |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:13 PM |
#27 |
| -
Okay |
atreides1 |
May-22-09 01:29 PM |
#50 |
| -
Here read his speech |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:34 PM |
#54 |
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That's what RICO statutes are for - |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#95 |
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That's not what he said - are you being sarcastic? |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 04:59 PM |
#149 |
| -
No, the US put a lot of them to work on our ICBM program. |
sarge43 |
May-22-09 01:06 PM |
#16 |
| -
There was no ICBM program during WW 2 |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:14 PM |
#28 |
| -
No kidding. |
sarge43 |
May-22-09 01:25 PM |
#41 |
| -
They were held indefinately as there was no scheduled end of the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:26 PM |
#44 |
| -
A bounty program for turning in 'terrorists' had folks turning their neighbors in just for the cash. |
Captain Hilts |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#18 |
| -
Did you take the time to listen to Obama's full speech? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:16 PM |
#30 |
| -
Actually, I read it. In fact, my mother worked for the fellow who was the Army attorney for |
Captain Hilts |
May-22-09 03:03 PM |
#137 |
| -
But without any of the fun. n/t |
Starry Messenger |
May-22-09 11:54 PM |
#168 |
| -
The Nazis were white and Christian. |
stopbush |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#20 |
| -
well, there were the Nazis we used to build our rockets and design our intelligence agencies... |
villager |
May-22-09 01:20 PM |
#35 |
| -
That was after the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:21 PM |
#37 |
| -
and it affected who they chose to prosecute, keep in custody, "let go," etc... |
villager |
May-22-09 01:56 PM |
#91 |
| -
I'm glad someone is looking to US history for insight |
Aloha Spirit |
May-22-09 01:26 PM |
#43 |
| -
Soldiers are jailed, spies are hung |
AngryAmish |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#45 |
| -
Hitler gave an order that all "special services" people were to be executed |
Joe Chi Minh |
May-22-09 05:55 PM |
#158 |
| -
The vast majority of Axis POW's |
LanternWaste |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#48 |
| -
That is what Obama proposed in his speech yesterday |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:29 PM |
#49 |
| -
Shorter Obama: "I don't know what to do." |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-22-09 01:48 PM |
#79 |
| -
This is the sort of deceptive retelling that has so many people |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 03:01 PM |
#134 |
| -
I'm responding to what you specifically posted |
LanternWaste |
May-22-09 01:50 PM |
#82 |
| -
Anyone responding to Obama and his position |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 03:02 PM |
#136 |
| -
You flunk Godwin's Law in the worst way possible. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-22-09 01:40 PM |
#65 |
| -
Exactly, How do you defeat and end a "war" on an idealogy? |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-22-09 01:51 PM |
#84 |
| -
People kill, not idealogy |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:02 PM |
#101 |
| -
I wish i could recommend a response. |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:54 PM |
#88 |
| -
You clearly understand Godwin's law as well as you understand |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#98 |
| -
See #79. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-22-09 02:03 PM |
#102 |
| -
There is a "war on drugs" too, you know.... |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 01:57 PM |
#92 |
| -
Drugs don't attack this Country or its citizens |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:01 PM |
#100 |
| -
No don't but dealers, gangs, and addicts cause a great deal of destruction. |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 02:06 PM |
#104 |
| -
so do non-dealers, non-gang member, and non-addicts. n/t |
iamthebandfanman |
May-22-09 02:10 PM |
#109 |
| -
The point being - nobody has ever won a war against a noun /nt |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 04:46 PM |
#146 |
| -
Actually, there's no more "war on drugs" or "war on terror" thanks to the Obama administration. |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 02:14 PM |
#187 |
| -
youre right! two wrongs DO make a right! n/t |
iamthebandfanman |
May-22-09 02:11 PM |
#110 |
| -
The US did release captured nazi's during WWII... your point? |
Fearless |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#124 |
| -
ahh, no they didn't |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:55 PM |
#130 |
| -
Actually they did. |
Fearless |
May-22-09 07:06 PM |
#165 |
| -
Ugh. I thought DUers hated it when the Bush Crime Family constantly |
bullwinkle428 |
May-22-09 03:02 PM |
#135 |
| -
It's an upside down world on DU |
RetroLounge |
May-22-09 05:59 PM |
#159 |
| -
Does a yes or no answer change whether it was/is the correct thing to do? |
Forkboy |
May-22-09 04:18 PM |
#144 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-22-09 05:01 PM |
#151 |
| -
I must have missed the declaration of war with each of the governments |
leftofthedial |
May-22-09 05:24 PM |
#155 |
| -
Me too. n/t |
Cleita |
May-22-09 06:34 PM |
#163 |
| -
Not only the US released captured Nazi war criminals, we helped them settle on US soil |
IndianaGreen |
May-23-09 01:34 PM |
#176 |
| -
i believe the german soldiers were POWs. these 'detainees' |
ejpoeta |
May-23-09 04:03 PM |
#178 |
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yes they did. |
MyNameGoesHere |
May-24-09 06:46 AM |
#183 |
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are they "admitted" members of terrorist organizations? |
paulk |
May-24-09 02:01 PM |
#185 |
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War on Terror =/= WW2. It's more like War on Drugs |
LittleBlue |
May-24-09 02:16 PM |
#188 |
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this country isn't fighting a real war |
Rosa Luxemburg |
May-24-09 11:54 PM |
#190 |
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Be sure to tell that to the soldiers being maimed and killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
ClarkUSA |
May-25-09 08:29 AM |
#192 |
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well exactly - it is the politicians who play games |
Rosa Luxemburg |
May-26-09 04:43 PM |
#196 |
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They were POWs in a declared war! The war on terror is not a war |
MasonJar |
May-25-09 10:04 AM |
#193 |
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That's why I suggested Obama declare those under "prolonged detention" be declared as POWs. |
backscatter712 |
May-25-09 10:19 AM |
#194 |
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