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Sun Dec-21-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #63 |
| 76. You should not presuppose what I ignore and what I acknowledge. |
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I would like you to paint the chain of causation from the inauguration to the increase in "ex-gay" hoccus poccus.
I absolutely believe that trying to convince people that being gay can be cured or is in some way unnatural will lead to suicide and homelessness.
I want to hear how some random prayer about whatever is going to legitimize the hoccus pocus? Are people all going to wikipedia him and say, "Oh no! Obama things I need to find a 'cure' so ...."
Again, the only think I'm disputing is that gay people will die (lack of tier 1 needs) as a result of the inauguration.
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| -Let's just get down to the basics - according to Maslow. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:10 AM |
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While I agree on almost all points, the only thing I disagree with is... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:16 AM |
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I very much hope you are right. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:19 AM |
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VERY few people on DU say "just get over it". But the fact is, if you want to be a reptile |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:19 AM |
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You just said get over it... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:21 AM |
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No, actually. But when you can't move beyond anger everything you hear will be an insult |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:27 AM |
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This has gone far beyond anger... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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Acceptable? There's no choice but "accept" it cause it's not changing. Doesn't mean I like it |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:34 AM |
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In other words "just get over it". Right? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:35 AM |
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Um, no. Because "just get over it" means FORGET ABOUT IT. Did I come close to invalidating |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:37 AM |
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Really? You seem to have no trouble invalidating them from what I'm seeing. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:39 AM |
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Well, I choose not to accept it. I choose to empathize with those who are upset about it |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:47 AM |
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I don't think you're going to see her again in this thread. She's humiliated herself. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:04 AM |
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Did you see this post of hers? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-21-08 12:36 PM |
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That is seriously deranged. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:39 PM |
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Seriously deranged and yet typical. n/t |
QC |
Dec-21-08 01:34 PM |
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I read that as self-defense. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:34 AM |
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That's because the Opening Poster didn't go on to declare how they advocate using violence |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:35 AM |
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Still no link, there? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:37 AM |
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Here's a link to your multiple posts. You don't fully express your views on using violence |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:40 AM |
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And do you realize that isn't me? Do you have trouble reading my user name? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:43 AM |
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You're real quiet all of a sudden, Cryingshame. Why is that? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:01 AM |
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Over half an hour and still no apology? And you were so quick to attack. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:25 AM |
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An hour and a half but still you're too cowardly to admit your mistake. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:04 PM |
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Three hours since you first slandered me with lies, cryingshame. No apology? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:23 PM |
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Four hours and you're still hiding. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 02:24 PM |
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Do you have a link for that accusation? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:49 AM |
#54 |
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move beyond anger = get over it. |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-21-08 11:38 AM |
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Flame #1. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:21 AM |
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There's not one insult in my post. You are the one who focuses on the reptilian brain function |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:26 AM |
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And if you show me violence I WILL respond in kind. That is self protection. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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Do you have a link for that accusation? That's a very serious accusation to make against someone. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:51 AM |
#56 |
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Plenty of people on DU say either "Just get over it," or "Sit down and shut up," or "This is |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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It's very Freepery of them. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 10:40 AM |
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I "want to be a reptile?" |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:45 AM |
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Callling someone a reptile because they have a different view is wrong |
peacetrain |
Dec-21-08 01:12 PM |
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We're being called reptiles because we're gay. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 01:15 PM |
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Well, then, the ability to get married will definitely frustrate the SEX satisfaction part! |
HamdenRice |
Dec-21-08 10:23 AM |
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LOL...marriage is not always that fulfilling |
Jennicut |
Dec-21-08 10:26 AM |
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Yes, all should have access to marriage, as long as all also get acess to divorce. Otherwise, it's |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:35 AM |
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Yes it is. |
Jennicut |
Dec-21-08 10:39 AM |
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Dec-21-08 11:47 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-21-08 10:23 AM |
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Really? This is about the Opening Poster advocating the use of violence to solve problems |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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I notice you never provide a link to that comment. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:33 AM |
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Apparently you have a short memory. I quoted you directly. |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:41 AM |
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THATS IWANTANYDEM, NOT ME! Can't you even read a user name? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:44 AM |
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Are you drunk? That's another poster. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:52 AM |
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What is wrong with you? That is a completely different poster. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-21-08 02:15 PM |
#144 |
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Hatred has blurred more than just her judgment. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 02:43 PM |
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You dumb ass! You're quoting a completely different user. |
racaulk |
Dec-21-08 02:30 PM |
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WTF? LOL |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:43 PM |
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FAIIIIIIIIIIL! |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-22-08 09:36 AM |
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Recommend. Even if you are right about the quote, ti is not from this thread and it sounds like |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:40 AM |
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Her link leads to a different poster. She couldn't even get that right. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:45 AM |
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Meanwhile, all gays are reptiles. Who knew? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:53 AM |
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The species cannot survive without sex. Individual members of the species, |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:24 AM |
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K&R Phenomenal Post Yes ! |
Mira |
Dec-21-08 10:34 AM |
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Thanks. I was hoping it would lead to some understanding. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:36 AM |
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I agree that Sexuality is absolutely fundamental to a functional concept of Self |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 10:54 AM |
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If this event leads to a crystallization of the GLBT community to fight, then you're right. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:12 AM |
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Do we agree that there is fighting and then there is "fighting"? |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 11:31 AM |
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It depends on what you see as useful. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:35 AM |
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I am very happy to consider things in terms of their uses, especially as that relates to Development |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 11:44 AM |
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LOL! I appreciate your interst but I don't want to get off topic here. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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okay, then . . . Merry Christmas! |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 12:11 PM |
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And Happy Holidays to you. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:14 PM |
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It's a lot more than sex, of course. There's personal security, social acceptance... |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:12 PM |
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That chart is upside down. |
LWolf |
Dec-21-08 10:59 AM |
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A lot of people use the inverted chart nowadays. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:03 AM |
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Moving left - |
TBF |
Dec-21-08 11:17 AM |
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Agreed. |
LWolf |
Dec-21-08 02:19 PM |
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I like the chart "upside down". I also like your application of the concept to "Democrats". nt |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 11:37 AM |
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We need to stop him from speaking or gay people will die! (nt) |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 11:32 AM |
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How does it feel to be a fully fledge human being with all your rights intact? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:36 AM |
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Naaw. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 11:52 AM |
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What a shame our rights don't rise to the level you require to support us. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:56 AM |
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Of course. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 11:59 AM |
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You poor thing |
haruka3_2000 |
Dec-21-08 12:57 PM |
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You're missing a fascinating example of sado-religious porn. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:43 PM |
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What is always this explicit on DU |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 01:17 PM |
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Gay people are being "literally executed" in many countries, including the U.S. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:01 PM |
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Maybe he doesn't care. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:02 PM |
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Maybe he likes it. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:04 PM |
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That is the most likely scenario. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:06 PM |
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I would bet on it. It's fairly easy to spot the sadists who enjoy sexual violence. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:09 PM |
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*rolls eyes* |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:15 PM |
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Obviously. Gay kids dying is treated like a minor shame by those who enjoy their |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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Lets try being honest. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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By legitimizing people who equate gays with child molestors, increasing their |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:07 PM |
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I have a feeling that you know and are very pleased with it. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:07 PM |
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Fascinating. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:12 PM |
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Yes, I think that might be true. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:14 PM |
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I think you find it satisfactory. You plainly view GLBT people as privileged and |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:16 PM |
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It may be easy for you to ignore that gay teens are driven to suicide and homelessness |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:02 PM |
#63 |
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You should not presuppose what I ignore and what I acknowledge. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:11 PM |
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Red herring. It's not just Tier 1 needs that are at issue here. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:14 PM |
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I'm not presupposing anything. I'm concluding based on the evidence of your posts. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:15 PM |
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He does care. He fantasizes that we're all on crosses surrounded by Judases. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:16 PM |
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I assume libelous attacks are more interesting to you that a discussion? (nt) |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:23 PM |
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Your libelous attacks are interesting to me. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:25 PM |
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There is no libel there. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:34 PM |
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Please, a favor. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:21 PM |
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First, I didn't say anything like that, so your quote marks are dishonest. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:23 PM |
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Sorry. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:27 PM |
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Your words speak for themselves. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:32 PM |
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Stop with the falsehoods about things I did NOT say. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:27 PM |
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Sorry |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:33 PM |
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Who said it was just tier 1? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:34 PM |
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Tier 1 is what I took issue with |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:37 PM |
#102 |
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As I said upthread, that's a red herring. The OP didn't say anything about tier 1 exclusively. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:40 PM |
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Oh my. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:42 PM |
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Your dismisiveness of the rights and lives of GLBT people is on the record. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:35 PM |
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Actually, I recant my appology. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:36 PM |
#100 |
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What apology? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:41 PM |
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Hrm. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:42 PM |
#109 |
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We're sock puppets. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:45 PM |
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Well, one puppet at a time maybe? |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:47 PM |
#116 |
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I stand by whatever I said, and you can keep your faux apology. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:45 PM |
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I stand by "whatever I said" as well. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:58 PM |
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After reading post 87 |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:39 PM |
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I think that might be me you're talking about. I know that all queers look alike to you... |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:41 PM |
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You didn't post #87...now did you, but hey, any chance to personally attack me...(nt) |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:44 PM |
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the "Fuck You, I've Got Mine" circle of jackals always show up. n/t |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-21-08 11:44 AM |
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I think it's more a belief that GLBT people are priviliged and need to be taken down a few notches. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:17 PM |
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With the addition of the sex thing. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:33 PM |
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It really is. I never looked at it that way before, but it really does seem to be like that. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:34 PM |
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Actual gay bashers - violent ones - almost uniformly express resentment for gays for |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 02:49 PM |
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In fact, gay people will and do die as a result of his sort of homophobia. Enjoy |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:51 AM |
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Hate speech does lead to gay people being murdered. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-21-08 12:23 PM |
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Do you expect this to occur at |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:49 PM |
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Yes. Legitimizing Warren's belief that gays are pedophiles and criminals does put us at risk. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:38 PM |
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Fuck you. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:32 PM |
#149 |
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Warren is opposed to unmarried heterosexuals having sex too |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 12:43 PM |
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It's not just sex. I know it's hard to remember, but gay people care about other things too. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:47 PM |
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No one here said otherwise. But Warren says he loves gays. He is fine with gays, so long |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 12:51 PM |
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Actually, some folks on this thread have said otherwise, but not you. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 01:00 PM |
#128 |
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I hear you, and I reject ALL of Warren's goofy package of religious crapola |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 12:55 PM |
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He doesn't have to have "real power" to have power. Having a world stage that legitimizes him |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:42 PM |
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I would be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that he won't use that stage to promote bigotry |
slackmaster |
Dec-22-08 09:22 AM |
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Is he against them marrying at all? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:51 PM |
#118 |
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He has all kinds of wacky religious beliefs that if given force of law would deny people rights |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 12:53 PM |
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Correction: He has no power over you. His "wacky religious beliefs" are the law for the GLBTers. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:58 PM |
#126 |
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He's only one among millions of people who wrongly believe that being gay is a choice |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 01:01 PM |
#129 |
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He is a megaphone for spreading the lies. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:09 PM |
#130 |
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So did George C. Wallace for most of his political career |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 01:16 PM |
#135 |
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And the day Warren changes his tune, I'll stop attacking him. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:19 PM |
#137 |
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Here we have a fine example of a false dilemma and poisoning the well |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 01:22 PM |
#139 |
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I'm just not willing to continue debating whether we should work to stop him or not. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:27 PM |
#142 |
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I haven't tried to stop you from doing anything |
slackmaster |
Dec-22-08 09:21 AM |
#165 |
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Huge difference. Heterosexuals can get married. And unmarried heterosexuals having sex are also |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:39 PM |
#152 |
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I'm not sure that's entirely correct |
slackmaster |
Dec-22-08 09:33 AM |
#167 |
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Great way to lay out the issue. K&R |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-21-08 12:52 PM |
#120 |
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"get over it" vs "baby, bathwater, who needs 'em??" |
Taverner |
Dec-21-08 12:55 PM |
#123 |
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It might be slightly easier to end GLBT legal discrimination than to outlaw religion. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:00 PM |
#127 |
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Well yeah |
Taverner |
Dec-21-08 01:09 PM |
#131 |
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In that case, the root cause isn't religion. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:15 PM |
#133 |
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Well religion is all about control of the people |
Taverner |
Dec-21-08 01:21 PM |
#138 |
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As Obama would say, "That's above my paygrade". |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:25 PM |
#141 |
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Oh please. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No, let's just throw out gays. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:46 PM |
#157 |
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Warren is the wrong choice, for so many reasons |
amborin |
Dec-21-08 02:27 PM |
#147 |
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K&R |
varelse |
Dec-21-08 02:41 PM |
#153 |
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Excellent post. Thank you, varelse. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 02:54 PM |
#159 |
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Very well said, deserves its own thread. Please consider making it an OP. nt |
glitch |
Dec-22-08 09:33 AM |
#168 |
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Wow...wonderfully written! |
LeftCoast |
Dec-21-08 05:07 PM |
#160 |
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K&R, excellent... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-21-08 05:14 PM |
#161 |
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I said this too. |
realpolitik |
Dec-21-08 05:16 PM |
#162 |
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How odd, the poster "mistakenly" claims one can only have sex after marriage |
nomad1776 |
Dec-21-08 06:06 PM |
#163 |
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Nice useful graphic. Excellent argument. |
Laelth |
Dec-22-08 09:09 AM |
#164 |
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He must have meant it in the overall continuation of the species sense |
treestar |
Dec-22-08 11:49 AM |
#170 |
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