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Reply #39: Are you serious? If the sovereign does what it wants, it gets out of any bind. Pretty simple. [View All]

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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 12:11 AM
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39. Are you serious? If the sovereign does what it wants, it gets out of any bind. Pretty simple.
In addition, as Thomas Jefferson often remarked, it was very problematic to say the least for one generation to purport to "bind" future generations (as opposed to gifting them freedom or rights).

But then there must be at least a few who don't think binding future generations with trillion dollar bailouts in the plural is too problematic to contemplate. But similarly with debt, the Founders thought it was a serious evil to saddle future generations with financial obligations, much less a diminution of rights.

It boils down to whether you trust the people or not. If you don't, then representative democracy is a dead letter and we might as well give it up. If you do trust them, then you realize that the hazing intensity that is political campaigns is more than sufficient to air out any real issues related to "foreigners" among us.

Considering the extremely important things that politicians lie to us about (and we have no recourse) to think that the circumstances of birth, if proved constitutionally relevant (which I believe they are not, even if the RW allegations are true) are truly immaterial in the relative scheme of things.

Why have it be "ok" for a president to be a convicted felon (it is ok), an alcoholic, drug addict, warmonger, serial liar, pathologically mentally ill -- and the public has to take the risks and benefits of "hiring" any such persons. But supposedly through an archaic and strained interpretation of the constitution pthat provides that we have a class-full instead of a classless society, an accident of birth is elevated to an absolute bar strong enough to veto the vote of the people, turning Patrick Henry on his head (quote in OP) for saying the constitution binds the government, and is not to be used by government to bind the people.

It just doesn't make any sense. PARTICULARLY doesn't make any sense AFTER the election, because any re-do or re-decide in direct effects means we just had a fake election.

The whole thing is absurd. But when we blindly follow archaic interpretations of laws long since amended out of existence, I suppose we can't be too surprised that absurdity results.
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