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Wed Nov-19-08 01:16 PM
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| 55. "The last Democratic administration was a failure" |
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What planet do you live on, exactly?
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| -Why are some people here STILL trying to silence progressive dissent? |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:38 PM |
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I didn't realize the last dem administration was a failure. |
OhioBlues |
Nov-19-08 12:40 PM |
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It certainly was to the middle class and working americans in many ways |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-19-08 12:52 PM |
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maybe you can find yourself in here somewhere... |
paulk |
Nov-19-08 01:33 PM |
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Thank you for the link..... |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-19-08 05:03 PM |
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Just look at the economy under Clinton |
olegramps |
Nov-20-08 05:57 AM |
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In many, many ways it was. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-19-08 03:18 PM |
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Clinton was one of the most accomplished presidents in history. |
niceypoo |
Nov-19-08 03:23 PM |
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OMG, I really cant believe you said that he reversed Reaganomics |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-19-08 05:05 PM |
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Compare the gap between rich and poor... |
Virginia Dare |
Nov-20-08 02:29 PM |
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Of course he did NOT. The fact that it happened |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-20-08 02:48 PM |
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If Clinton had reversed Reaganomics we wouldn't be in the hole we're in now |
Raineyb |
Nov-19-08 08:37 PM |
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We're in this hole because Bush practiced Reaganomics with no controls or oversight.. |
Virginia Dare |
Nov-20-08 02:25 PM |
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in this way it failed |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 06:29 PM |
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Clinton was the best Republican President we've ever had. And the most successful. |
baldguy |
Nov-19-08 09:00 PM |
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No one's silencing us. If they were, posts would be locked and people would be tombstoned. |
Bicoastal |
Nov-19-08 12:41 PM |
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*facepalm* |
Alter Ego |
Nov-19-08 12:41 PM |
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I've been mouthing off right along. |
Deep13 |
Nov-19-08 12:41 PM |
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Everyone has the right to display ignorance or stupidity |
dmordue |
Nov-19-08 12:41 PM |
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That's right: is the enemy |
BeFree |
Nov-19-08 12:41 PM |
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It's all those posters who've basically said that because Kucinich didn't make much of a showing |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:45 PM |
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Yeah different |
BeFree |
Nov-19-08 12:53 PM |
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That's not my intent. I'm just in here standing up for my principles. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:56 PM |
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Yes, indeed |
BeFree |
Nov-19-08 01:04 PM |
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each other |
Two Americas |
Nov-20-08 01:17 AM |
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People on the left seem to forget |
maseman |
Nov-20-08 06:40 AM |
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define "hard left" |
Two Americas |
Nov-20-08 02:48 PM |
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The litmus test for a true progressive is to be a Kucinich supporter? |
Virginia Dare |
Nov-20-08 02:31 PM |
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And dissenting just for the sake of dissenting is idiotic |
stevenleser |
Nov-19-08 01:43 PM |
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Not "progressive" just "rational" to question HRC SoS rumors -- Quals and Fit is NOT best |
Sensitivity |
Nov-19-08 12:42 PM |
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8 years of peace and prosperity is a failure? |
deadmessengers |
Nov-19-08 12:44 PM |
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NOT bashing the poor. Getting a real healthcare system in place. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:47 PM |
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Thank you |
Generator |
Nov-19-08 01:59 PM |
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Indeed. Speaking out now is crucial in order to defend the party from its opponents. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:11 PM |
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We're paying for that "prosperity" now. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-19-08 03:26 PM |
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Food bank use was up dramatically in the 90s |
eridani |
Nov-19-08 08:29 PM |
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Many cross-currents and rip-tides caused by all of Obama's Crossovers. |
patrice |
Nov-19-08 12:44 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-19-08 12:45 PM |
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We are Democratic Underground..... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-19-08 12:46 PM |
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Thanks for the link. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:49 PM |
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yeah no moderates ever canvass or phone bank |
dmallind |
Nov-19-08 12:46 PM |
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I know lots of anti-war and anti-Bush moderates who volunteer for DEMS. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 12:49 PM |
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wtf is a pro-Bush Dem? lol. |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-19-08 12:53 PM |
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So no DEMS supported Bush's far right war or his far right economic policies? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 12:56 PM |
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Well here's your problem |
dmallind |
Nov-19-08 12:56 PM |
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I dont have a problem. DEMS who were stupid enough to support Bush have a problem. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 12:59 PM |
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Martin Luther King Jr. said it best when he said the day we become |
midnight |
Nov-19-08 12:47 PM |
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That's a great way of putting it. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:59 PM |
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DLCers were 100% wrong in their support for Bush, and now they want to make up for it? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 12:47 PM |
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In my own way, I'm being pro-Obama. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 12:51 PM |
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Yes- let's be pro-Obama and give him a chance to succeed! |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 01:01 PM |
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By publicly shitting on every appointment our two-week-old PE is considering.... |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:01 PM |
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For the record, the only problem I have is Lieberman. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 01:03 PM |
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For the record, I wasn't replying to you..... look again |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:12 PM |
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I thought this was an open discussion board, and you were posting in my sub-thread. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 01:14 PM |
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You seemed like you were responding directly to my post, as if I directed it at you... |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:21 PM |
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No, I was just trying to express my views to anyone reading. A "discussion board" as it were. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 01:25 PM |
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I'm not against every appointment. I like the AG appointment. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:14 PM |
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Obama says he wants to hear dissenting voices. Well where are the progressive voices in his |
Skwmom |
Nov-19-08 01:01 PM |
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He's named less than 5% of his administration. Sheesh. |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:04 PM |
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Exactly. Who are some good Liberals that you would like to see in an Obama admin? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 01:12 PM |
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I'd love to hear your answer to post #51. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 01:38 PM |
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Reich as Commerce Secretary(we can't have another corporate type in there) |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:53 PM |
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It would interest me to see if scheming daemons would agree with you on those pics. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:02 PM |
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Oh the drama... the DRAMA! |
bunnies |
Nov-19-08 12:50 PM |
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,,, |
prodn2000 |
Nov-19-08 02:47 PM |
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If "progressive dissent" is being silenced, why am I reading your OP? |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 12:52 PM |
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Why are you trying to silence those of us who are telling you to shut the fuck up? |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 12:53 PM |
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you know how i deal with it? |
maxsolomon |
Nov-19-08 12:54 PM |
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Let them try. The only one who will silence you is you. |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-08 12:57 PM |
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That's why I AM speaking out. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:01 PM |
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And we need the centrists. |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-08 01:12 PM |
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sure we do |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 06:19 PM |
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With the progressives track record on being right on so many issues, it makes you wonder why they |
Skwmom |
Nov-19-08 12:59 PM |
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If you're dissenting against an administration that doesn't take office for two months yet, then.... |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:00 PM |
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If you don't speak out AT THE START, the opening for action slips away. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:04 PM |
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The last administration made the MISTAKE of being too progressive during the first two years |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:06 PM |
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Bogus analysis of those first two years. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:12 PM |
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yours is the "progressive" analysis? |
paulk |
Nov-19-08 01:45 PM |
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It's not "THE" analysis, It's just mine. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:50 PM |
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I noticed you offer no actual rebuttal to it, simply an insult. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:54 PM |
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What exactly would you like the administration to do? |
olegramps |
Nov-20-08 06:30 AM |
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Here's what I'd like |
Ken Burch |
Nov-20-08 11:14 AM |
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Oh yeah, let's wait until he makes all of his appointments to start voicing our concerns. |
Skwmom |
Nov-19-08 01:27 PM |
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nonsense |
Two Americas |
Nov-20-08 01:25 AM |
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I think the new administration should be given a chance before anyone complains. |
phleshdef |
Nov-19-08 01:00 PM |
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No one is silencing anyone. But can the man get a chance to fucking govern |
BrentTaylor |
Nov-19-08 01:00 PM |
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Nope. |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:03 PM |
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It's not about being "pissed off". It's about standing up for ourselves. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:06 PM |
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You have it exactly backwards |
scheming daemons |
Nov-19-08 01:08 PM |
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you're not supposed to point things like that out. That's an attempt to silence someone |
wyldwolf |
Nov-19-08 03:33 PM |
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Just how were you burned again? |
olegramps |
Nov-20-08 06:46 AM |
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So criticism of your impatience is now "stifling dissent"? What a pantload of crap! |
Bonobo |
Nov-19-08 01:08 PM |
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You are estimating the quantitfy of crap by a couple of exponents... |
stevenleser |
Nov-19-08 01:39 PM |
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"The last Democratic administration was a failure" |
TwilightZone |
Nov-19-08 01:16 PM |
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The one where the poor were abandoned and insulted by a "Democratic" president |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:19 PM |
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President-elect Obama hasn't even taken his oath of office and the |
grantcart |
Nov-19-08 01:19 PM |
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But, grantcart, what is taken as "dissent" around here lately is pretty ridiculous. |
Kristi1696 |
Nov-19-08 01:27 PM |
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Once again you are on the side of common sense and facts |
stevenleser |
Nov-19-08 02:25 PM |
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Go Back To Thailand Grant |
Binka |
Nov-20-08 03:39 AM |
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Thank you. |
Kristi1696 |
Nov-19-08 01:22 PM |
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OMG! An AG against the death penalty and an HHS Secretary for national health care! |
Alexander |
Nov-19-08 01:29 PM |
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I SAID upthread that I like the AG appointment, and also I like Daschle. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:44 PM |
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So what, exactly, is your problem? |
Alexander |
Nov-19-08 04:00 PM |
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it is an ongoing battle |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 01:44 PM |
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Excellent post. I'd have no problem with the centrists just disagreeing with me. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 01:47 PM |
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the conflict |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 02:00 PM |
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Bravo. Very well put. |
political_Dem |
Nov-20-08 03:33 AM |
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You make an excellent point here |
jonestonesusa |
Nov-20-08 10:25 AM |
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The OP in this thread was a failure |
alwysdrunk |
Nov-19-08 01:51 PM |
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this post is itself suppressive |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 02:07 PM |
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It's about treating the progressive faction in the party with respect as an equal force. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:13 PM |
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I don't see anything being silenced--2/3 of the posts are critical of Obama, so... |
WI_DEM |
Nov-19-08 01:58 PM |
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not so |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 02:15 PM |
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my point is nobody is trying to stop dissent and the 2/3 of the posts are |
WI_DEM |
Nov-19-08 02:23 PM |
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understood |
Two Americas |
Nov-19-08 02:33 PM |
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Exactly: "our civic duty...at all times." (n/t) |
kenzee13 |
Nov-19-08 03:41 PM |
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This is another "I want my say and no one should argue with me" post |
wyldwolf |
Nov-19-08 02:02 PM |
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I'm fine with people arguing with me. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:06 PM |
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It would be cool if we could ALL agree to cease name calling & bullying of any kind. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:15 PM |
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You're right. Both sides have launched their share of invective. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:16 PM |
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For the record, I've been defending Obama's centrist picks all over this board for days. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:22 PM |
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I appreciate your comments and your respectful, open tone. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:32 PM |
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Pro-war, pro-Bush, pro-Lieberman Dems? |
olegramps |
Nov-20-08 07:08 AM |
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if you don't believe you're being treated as an equal, that is your issue and no one else's |
wyldwolf |
Nov-19-08 02:15 PM |
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you wish |
iamthebandfanman |
Nov-19-08 02:22 PM |
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Next thing you know, DUers will be accused of being disloyal for not supporting Lieberman! |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:24 PM |
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umm.. there's only one group here who accuse others of not being a Democrat |
wyldwolf |
Nov-19-08 03:04 PM |
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There were/are at least 2- maybe 3. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 03:12 PM |
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we are always silenced. |
iamthebandfanman |
Nov-19-08 02:20 PM |
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"The LAST Democratic administration was a failure" reminds me of this classic article: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-19-08 02:21 PM |
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Wow, starting to see the problems the Repigs have with their fundamental right wingers. |
Pisces |
Nov-19-08 02:24 PM |
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For the record, I can accept HRC at State IF Obama makes it clear |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:35 PM |
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I just want the 'centerists' to begin each sentance with the truth |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-19-08 02:27 PM |
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To be fair, the DLC types used to openly admit that during Bush's 1st term and shortly thereafter. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:38 PM |
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The only thing that was good about some DU'ers backing HolyWarJoe |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:42 PM |
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Let me guess- Mr Benchley? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:45 PM |
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I didn't want to get my post deleted by mentioning him by name, but yes. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-19-08 02:49 PM |
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Crap- I didn't know that I might be breaking a rule! |
Dr Fate |
Nov-19-08 02:52 PM |
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Mr. Benchley was a truely nasty character. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-20-08 08:54 AM |
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No one is questioning your right to speak -- some are just questioning some of what you have to say. |
zlt234 |
Nov-19-08 03:51 PM |
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It appears our services are no longer required. |
Dragonfli |
Nov-19-08 05:30 PM |
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Because we're nazis. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-19-08 06:20 PM |
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arent you silencing the dissenting dissent? |
mkultra |
Nov-19-08 08:40 PM |
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Silencing the progressives |
Enna |
Nov-19-08 09:37 PM |
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Well put. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-20-08 02:23 PM |
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I was one who did the hard work... |
stillcool47 |
Nov-19-08 09:45 PM |
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Of course I want the guy inagurated. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-20-08 02:19 PM |
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emotions, micro-focusing on minutiae |
KakistocracyHater |
Nov-20-08 01:31 AM |
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Nah, not for the most part. Some off us a step over |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-20-08 02:35 AM |
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Give.....it.....a......break!! |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-20-08 02:43 AM |
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I mean the cutting edge of the very, very, very leftest of all maaann way out there |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-20-08 03:02 AM |
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Yup, eight years of peace and prosperity sure was |
cboy4 |
Nov-20-08 03:56 AM |
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Amazing example of a carefully planned under the radar post |
mtnester |
Nov-20-08 04:11 AM |
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Apparently no one ever saw "The Big One". |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-20-08 04:51 AM |
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The Big One is an essential film, a great piece of history from the 90s. |
jonestonesusa |
Nov-20-08 10:45 AM |
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Expanding the Earned Income Credit was one of the most |
WCGreen |
Nov-20-08 06:58 AM |
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Progressive Dissent Does Not Equal Insane Or Irrational Rantings And Vitriol With Short Sighted |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-20-08 10:47 AM |
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I'm against insane or irrational rantings, too. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-20-08 02:16 PM |
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NO ONE IS STIFLING YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH GOD DAMN IT |
WildEyedLiberal |
Nov-20-08 02:31 PM |
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I mostly agree. But although I think the Clinton admin. was far from being a 'failure', they could |
codjh9 |
Nov-20-08 02:32 PM |
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Leftover hostility from the primaries and the fact that we're not all progressive here. |
PelosiFan |
Nov-20-08 02:32 PM |
#157 |
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